AIBU to wonder why Corbyn hasn't got the boot yet?

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After all this recent stuff. Please could we have someone else and make labour electable again. Why is he still there and do we think he still will be for the forseeable?

I was fooled by Corbyn.

I watched Corbyn over time and what I see is a liar and a sabotaging communist in labour clothing.

His supporters are either people who are fooled as I was or people who enjoy hurting people and hope their loyalty will earn them a position in which they can implement their fantasy.

He was at New Lanark yesterday outside the luxury hotel there. No doubt trying to make a connection with Robert Owen.
Not exactly out meeting the ordinary people of Scotland.

I don't think Corbyn has ever had an approval rating as high as Theresa May's

Polls have been wrong before of course, but Corbyn is behind May in the Polls and has been for a few consecutive months now. Mid-term this is very worrying indeed for him. People usually say they intend to vote for anyone than the party in power, but come to their senses come polling day. Didn't M Thatcher say something like: If a Gov't is not 10 points behind mid-term it isn't doing its job'?

RE: the Chakrabarti report . You are spot on. When he used a peerage to pay her to whitewash the anti-jewish racism, he sent a clear message that anti-semites would be protected.
I do hope the far left keep fighting this, though. The longer and louder the denials, the better. And so much for those that claim that the anti-semitism is only those on the fringes. Here we have an example of a political leader, picking a side and then actively participating.

Corbyn has taken positive action to help anti-jewish racism. He's very much part of the problem. This will never be resolved with him in the driving seat. His acolytes will of course just ignore it and cling to the hope that everyone else will too. But as last GE proved and the next will prove once again -- they will not.

Alan Dershowitz US Professor of Law has just had a go at CH4 interviewer Matt Frei for accusing US politics of lacking a moral compass.
He basically said don't you dare accuse us of poor standards when you have Jeremy Corbyn as Labour party leader.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz

I don't think Corbyn has ever had an approval rating as high as Theresa May's

To be fair, there are more people who would rather "don't know" was in charge. When has that ever happened before?

Just to remind you of the support that Corbyn and his mate gave to the murdering IRA gang, and his praise for the way Venezuela is governed and how we should do it like them, oh and how he was going to sort out the student loan scheme

Evidence for any of that? i'm sure that had he actually supported Terrorism, he would have been investigated and charged, as it is illegal, neither has happened.
Support for Chavas (who incidentally increased life expectancy, lowered inequality and increased education and health for the poor) is not the same as saying he wants their economic policies over here, for starters we haven't got unlimited oil underneath us!

With regard to student loans, at least he is attempting to solve the problems, unlike May who just launched an inquiry to report in 2067.

The UK (under many different colours) supports lots of despotic regimes around the world, arming, funding, providing military assistance, ignoring some horrendous human rights abuses and killing even preventing justice) but thats all ok because its done by a so called middle of the road Government.
The moment someone stands up and says this is wrong, we roundly condemn them as subversive and an enemy of the state.

Evidence for any of that?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11924431/Revealed-Jeremy-Corbyn-and-John-McDonnells-close-IRA-links.html

www.newsletter.co.uk/news/when-jeremy-met-gerry-1-7106302

He's not alone

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/18/john-mcdonnell-apologises-for-ira-comment-labour

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/abbott-declared-support-for-ira-defeat-of-britain-rp79dvvmk

He would have been investigated ............He was.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/19/exclusive-mi5-opened-file-jeremy-corbyn-amid-concerns-ira-links/

As for Hugo Chavez 'who did so much for living standards' etc. That would be for those that survived the disgustingly tyrannical Chavez/Maduro regime's systematic and ongoing 15 year policy of torturing & raping its opponents, including men, women and children. Take a look at what Venezuelan human rights lawyer Tamara Suju, testifying to the ICC, has to say about Mr Corbyn's hero:

Yes it is undeniably true that many gov'ts, left and right, have done and still do business with the most appalling regimes and dictators. But crucially they are gov't's who have the power of the state behind them, who can make promises and deals in the national interest. Short and long term. They are responsible for keeping communities served by providing jobs. Jobs that can involve making arms and various other exports and as much as you and I don't like it - this is the reality of politics.

Mr Corbyn has never had any such responsibility and had therefore nothing to offer the terrorists he cavorted with but his support.

I would have more respect for Corbyn as 'someone who's spent his whole life campaigning for peace and racial equality' if he weren't so bloody selective about those he supports in their 'struggle'.

Not one word of criticism about the Russian involvement in Syria, not even when the aid convoy was bombed or the horrendous carpet bombing of Aleppo. Hamas and Hezbollah can do no wrong. He never talked to the UDF and when has he ever talked to the Israelis?

On tonight's news, Facebook has closed down a number of accounts set up for propaganda purposes by Iran and Russia. The example from Iran was a pro-Corbyn cartoon. What on earth are we to make of that?

Also, Corbyn certainly never says this is wrong when the PLO, Hamas Hezbollah are firing rockets into civilian areas in Israel. Or when Palestinians cut the throats of tiny babies, are firing rockets into civilian areas of Israel or blowing themselves up in restaurants, buses and shopping malls.

Neither did he say this is wrong when the PIRA were blowing people to pieces or torturing people with power drills or abducting mothers from their homes, from the arms of their screaming children. Who were later invited to the morgue to identify them..

He's never to my knowledge said this is wrong when the Iranian despots are hanging homosexuals from mobile cranes or stoning "immodest" women to death. Or engaged in one their favourite pastimes of executing members of the Bahaii minority. Including recently a 14 year old girl who they executed for teaching Sunday school classes to other children. Not a peep from Mr Corbyn then. in fact he took £20,000 in blood money off of one of their state propaganda channels to tell them things they wanted to hear.

uk.businessinsider.com/jeremy-corbyn-paid-iran-press-tv-tortured-journalist-2016-6

He never said this is wrong when Chavez was raping and torturing the men women and children he didn't like the look of [see above post]..

In fact, the only time he ever says this is wrong is when it is, what he regards as 'Western, imperialist' violence. Never the other kind. The kind of despotism violence and tyranny that is anti-Western and/or Marxist, is the kind he's quite comfortable with...

So, we reach the nub of the issue, so long as there are jobs (and profit) in selling weapons to regimes that torture, kill and maim their way through the population, that is all ok, its the "reality of politics" ie keep the share holders in dividends.

Many leaders offer support to despotic people and i'm certainly not defending JC in his support for Chavas, just asking that he is treated in an even handed way, so Thatcher didn't need to support Pinochet, he wasn't in power and she prevented him from going to trial, she was ably supported by many in the Government at the time, there were no jobs at stake, even if that is a defence!

Re the Mi5 file on JC is rumour, no more (unless Mi5 are now publishing what they do?) even if true, no further action was ever taken, neither was any action taken on the Met file (if one exists?) so he has done nothing illegal and considering the terrorist laws on support of proscribed organisations is amongst the tightest in the world, then its safe to say he is innocent of your charge.

Maybe read this for another point of view
www.opendemocracy.net/luke-davies/re-examining-corbyns-dangerous-friendships

To not see that gov't's have responsibilities to keep people in jobs and often deal with dreadful dictatorships in order to do so, is to see the world through the prism of childish idealism.

Take the Saudi's. An elected gov't licensing the export of weapons platforms, made by an internationally recognised company to another legit' Gov, (no matter how much you or I might dislike them) is not a breach of international law. Whereas planting bombs in cars to blow up non combatants, for instance, regardless of how aggrieved you may be at injustices both real and suggested, is definitely illegal in anyone's language.

On the MI5 issue: Its fascinating how when it comes to the govt dealing with appalling regimes, your happy to emote over the morality and the 'injustice' of it all, regardless of what the benefits are. Disgusted by the realpolitik elements. Yet you become so pragmatically cold, hard-headed and factual when it comes to MI5 and Corbyn's links to the PIRA? And it becomes "safe to assume he's innocent of my charge"?

Corbyn approved of, supported and encouraged the PIRA. The evidence is overwhelming, even McDonnell has apologised for his part. Corbyn however continues to lie and obfuscate over it.

Thatcher supported Pinochet, so what? Thatcher and Pinochet are both long dead and gone. The world has moved on. Do you think that bringing up the long departed spectres of the past serves as justification for someone who is still very much alive, very much still in domestic politics and who has, it appears, a penchant for historical revisionism? You cant change the past. If that's all you've got, its very weak indeed.

To summarise Pinochet for all his monstrous actions, wasn't an enemy of Britain, didn't murder British citizens and isn't seeking a mandate to be our next PM. Can't you tell the difference?

Yes I've seen this article before [your link], unfortunately they seem to rather gloss over the fact that Corbyn's published an article, in a socialist rag whose editorial board he sat on, that gloated over the murder of innocent people at The Grand Hotel, Brighton in 1984 and promised further violence to M Thatcher.

And his appearing at Ard Pheis.

The interviews he gave in An Problacht wherein he praised and supported the e provo's "cause".

They did it go into much depth about how he shared a platform with Angelo Fusco, a PIRA terrorist on the run after shooting dead an SAS officer. At a 1994 rally .

His lobbying the government on behalf of PIRA prisoners.

His attendance at and speaking at annual pro- PIRA commemorations for terrorists between 1986 and '92.

How he voted against the AIA simply because he didn't feel the PIRA ought to compromise. Odd for a self proclaimed 'man of peace'!

labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/08/07/the-idea-that-jeremy-corbyn-laid-the-foundations-for-peace-in-northern-ireland-is-total-fantasy/

Oh and here on radio Ulster in 2015 where he repeatedly refused to condemn the PIRA personally. It's really rather funny, if a little unsettling.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02z3x45

The evidence is overwhelming. Your attempts to deny and spin this away is pitiful and in incredible bad taste..

Unironically linking to an open democracy article is on par to a rabid trump supporter linking to breitbart validating fakenews

It would be funny if it wasn't serious, politics in the UK is becoming more and more American.

Thankfully I can see an end now to Corbyn as leader. The stories are old but they show the public the sort of man he is and they will keep being published and rightly so there is nothing peace loving about him he is an agitator. Momentum still have a hold running the party but without their messiah Corbyn followers their power will deminish

Three years wasted and another few making the Party electable to lead the country

Membership is unfortunately full of idiots wittering on about how fearful the establishment is while planning the revolution meanwhile the Tories ....

Rachet... supplying weapons and supporting the Saudis who then blow up a bus full of children would normally be a war crime, we certainly seem very keen to apply that label to the Russians and their support of Assad.
The Tory/libdem coalition allowed the export to Syria of 2 chemicals used in the manufacture of Sarin, not back in the 1970s but in 2012.

Other countries manage perfectly well making things that are not used to kill people or are more careful who they supply, the UK has a long history of putting our jobs way above the lives of innocent people across the globe, in any other walk of life uk would be complicit to murder.

Discussing prisoner conditions is not supporting the IRA, on that basis anyone wanting prison reform is also supporting murder and paedophilia etc etc. Neither is meeting ex IRA convicted bombers or are you going to apply that standard to the current Gov and the Queen no less?
The bottom line is that had JC committed crimes by actively supporting the IRA against the Crown, as you state, he would have been charged, he has not.

There are ex gov ministers, still alive, in the Lords who supported Thatcher over Pinochet.

Look, as i said, JC needs to go, not for all the reasons you ve come up with but because he is not an effective leader, he just isn't up to the job.

Its a great that the high standards you demand of JC are not applied to all politicians.

As I keep saying, as a lifelong Labour voter, I want more from the Labour leadership than on a par with Thatchers behaviour. I mean dear god.

Puzzled Cameras are allowed at the event (Alternative Mactaggart Lecture). It's livestreaming on YouTube and I'm watching it right now.

(He's killing it by the way.)

Ffs The man has literally spent his whole life campaigning for peace and racial equality.
His whole god damn life.

Tommy Robinson and Donald Trump who are actively racist and bigoted are labelled as hero’s. This is so fucked up it is not even funny anymore.

I think Tommy Robinson and Trump are bigoted arseholes and utterly despicable human beings

As a Labour voter and party member it saddens me that as a British Jew, my party doesn't want people like me, and that JC's lifetime of fighting for racial equality doesn't extend to fighting against anti semitism within his own party with the same vigour

It saddens me that when Jackie Walker, formerly vice-chair of Momentum, wrote that Jews were the “chief financiers of the sugar and slave trade”, Corbyn shared a platform and campaigned alongside her.

It saddens me that his lifetime of fighting for racial equality did not extend to consulting with the Jewish community to define what racism against Jews was and wasn't - and instead the Labour NEC did so behind closed doors. They only spoke to the Jewish community afterwards when there was outcry.

I wonder if labour would have decided what was and wasn't racism against the black community without speaking to anyone from that community?

Bananafish

A few weeks back, The Guardian reported Corbyn's intention to consult with the Jewish and Palestinian communities regarding Labour's definition of anti-semitism. I couldn't believe my eyes and have been unable to find it since. I'm hoping it was a mistake. But really? It's like giving the KKK a voice in consultations with the NACP about civil rights legislation.

Thankfully I can see an end now to Corbyn as leader.

I wish I could, but they seem to be doubling down and the attacks and pile ons on SM are being more and more fuelled by hatred if you dare question him.

I think Jeremy corbyn is great!! The media are skewing people's views but he is a leader for the people if you would look closer enough... Don't believe everything you read...

I think Jeremy corbyn is great!! The media are skewing people's views but he is a leader for the people if you would look closer enough... Don't believe everything you read...

Great! So how is he going to persuade swing voters to switch from voting Tory to voting Labour in the next GE?

Doesn't matter how many Labour devotees chant his name at rallies, unless he can get swing voters to win marginal seats, it makes no difference at all.

If you're actually serious and not taking the piss - how as a leader of the opposition is he holding TM and this car crash of a government to account? How is he demonstrating leadership qualities that would make him a strong statesman on the world stage? How is he pushing for the country's best interests when it comes to holding the government to account wrt brexit negotiations (as it looks to my uninitiated eyes that he's taking a back seat and watching it unravel from a distance. Happy to be put straight if you can clearly show otherwise...)

I don't think he is anti semitic at all, being against certain people's views who happen to be Jewish is NOT anti semitic... Why can't people tell the difference?!? I read a quote somewhere that said once upon a time anti semitism was people who didn't like Jewish people, now it's people who Jews don't like... It really resonates on this case. There is a problem of anti Islamic hatred in the Conservative party, wheres the media there?!? Yes, there does need to be intervention with regards to Palestine who have had there land stolen and the state of Israel which has been on stolen settlements... Corbyn recognises Palestine which is why he gets so much hatred, it doesn't make him anti semitic, anti zionist maybe, which I can say I am proudly anti zionist, they're evil and murderers, the same way as a Muslim I am anti wahabism which is something I really don't agree with... Why is it that anyone who is pro Palestine is labelled anti Jewish? They don't go hand in hand. Wanting the Palestinians to have their own land and not living in an open prison and the right to live in safety is not automatically anti semitic. Please educate yourselves and see the difference, don't believe everything you see in mainstream media that have such skewed representations. I Helens in Jeremy corbyn, he could bring peace, just like bernie sanders could have in America, but the prevalent racism against Muslims in the west right now has skewed people's perceptions of right and wrong...

How can he honestly do his job as the opposition when he is not being supported by his party who keep crying anti semitism with every tiny thing?!? If Labour would show some damn support to their leader then maybe he could actually do his job as the leader?!? There are too many vying for his position stabbing him in the back on their way up meanwhile we have conservatives doing shit that we don't hold them accountable for such as selling weapons to Saudi Arabia that then get used in Yemen to bomb young children... As soon as that is mentioned the anti semitism routine pops up again...