SIL has not vaccinated my nieces

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My baby has been booked in for her vaccinations soon. I asked my sister in law, who has primary school aged kids, about the experience and I was flabbergasted when she said she didn't get their jabs. I can't quite believe it!

When I asked why, she said the risks outweighed the pros but she struggled to articulate what the risks were beyond 'potential death'. I said that that was also the downside of not getting the jabs too! She said she was persuaded when her friend said that the jabs couldn't be undone if her kids had a reaction.

AIBU to be shocked and quite disappointed about this? I'm not looking forward to it by any means, but the eradication of many awful diseases and protection against those still prevalent is surely a non negotiable?

When her kids don't get these diseases, she'll be vindicated but that will likely be because the majority have had their jabs rather than proving jabs were unnecessary.

I imagine I'll get over this - my child will be protected - but I'm just at hearing this news.

Maybe she’s one of the many on the arnica group, to be fair since joining that group I have my doubts...but I’m sitting on the fence with it all.
I do believe vaccine damage needs to be open and people need to know.

I work with and have my own children with impaired immune systems.
I think it is irresponsible in a country where we can free vaccinations where 3rd world countries are crying out for them and suffering the effects of not having access.
It's fine thinking about the rights and needs of your own children but spare a thought for the sick children who could become severely ill if they were to come into contact.

If I actually knew of a GP that didn't vaccinate their kids, I wouldn't go to them again. They are idiots why would I trust them to diagnose me? Don't believe that any GP would be that stupid.

Vaccine damage? Oh please 😒

politicalcorrectness

If you really do- and they didn't vaccinate their own kids not for reasons specific to the particular kids health- and they work in the NHS then what do they advise their patients (and advise their practice nurses who give the vacs) to do?

Because if there are NHS GPs advising not to vaccinate or even not offering the standard schedule (without good specific reasons) then I think the GMC would be interested.

Does anyone know if my baby will be protected after the 8 week jabs?

This rather suggests you've done very little research on this OP. Kind of ironic given that's your gripe with your sil.

If my SIL did that my DD wouldn't be going anywhere near her kids until they were. End of.

Vaccine damage? Oh please

It does happen but it’s very very rare and the risks of not vaccinating vastly outweigh the risks of damage. It’s not helpful to pretend it never ever happens. I say this as a doctor who is passionately pro vaccination.

Vaccine damage exists.

But the relative risk of vaccine damage vs severe sequelae or death from acquiring one of the diseases after not vaccinating is, for the emphatic majority of people, such that vaccinating is by far the less risky decision.

It would be good for us to understand more about what makes people react badly to vaccines so we can find ways to mitigate the risk and/or approach vaccination individually, but the numbers are very small so research is, presumably, difficult.

Here in France kids can’t start school until they’ve been vaccinated. Over the border in Switzerland, there have been deaths from measles recently among unvaccinated children. Madness.

Anti vax, or whatever they like to call themselves, is an unbelievable pile of ridiculous, unthought crap. It is endangering lives. Yet another case of bloody stupidity affecting others.

By the way, there is a blood test in the pipeline for autism, which should knock any of this crap about the MMR causing it on the head since it can be used to flag up autism before the MMR is given.

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Vaccines do not cause autism.
Lack of vaccines cause death

*Fuck off miss contrary

Aka don't have kids/don't give a shit about my kids*

Well you'll be pleased to know mine are all fully up to date with their vaccinations. Just because I choose to vaccinate, It doesn't mean I have the right to dictate what drugs/medicines/vaccinations other parents give their children.

Keep your baby away from that family until she is fully protected. All babies too young to be vaccinated are at risk from her children.

Mumoftwoyoungkids
She said neither had had any of their vaccinations, including polio etc

WeShouldBeFriends
That's a fair point! I have naively assumed that I wouldn't have to worry about this as it's so rare people don't get their kids vaccinated.

Today has been an eye opener!

Oh and as usual on these threads I’m here to remind everyone that unvaccinated children grow into unvaccinated (sometimes angry) adults. I had to get myself vaccinated and it wasn’t much fun. Narrowly avoided mumps as a teen as I assumed I was covered. Got whooping cough in my twenties for two miserable months.
How many photos of tiny babies covered in measles do we need to see in our papers?? Makes me so angry.

santaclarita
that is shocking and I think you are entirely correct in your reaction.
The other side of that is how I feel when patients who won;t vaccinate come and consult me about other problems- why would they trust my opinion on a chest infection/high blood pressure if they don't trust me/any science on vaccination?

Or as my husband says- it's not like they (usually) reject the science that will make their aeroplane fly/cure their cancer etc.

‘Does anyone know if my baby will be protected after the 8 week jabs?

This rather suggests you've done very little research on this OP. Kind of ironic given that's your gripe with your sil.’

What research should the OP have been doing? Surely the global medical community, science etc has done all this for us. Last time I checked I was not an immunologist, nor had I spent my entire career devoted to developing vaccines. So why would one ‘do the research’ unless they were a fucking moronic anti-vaxer!

OP, no she isn’t safe. Even if the risk is small. I would make it a point of principle. Anti-vaxers need to be called out for their willful neglect. I would not have my baby anywhere near unvaccinated children.

politicalcorrectnessisgreat
This country has high levels of hygiene. Polio was fierce before hand washing. The number of cases went down when hand washing came in, before the vaccine.

Utter hogwash and I say that as the DC of a Polio survivor.

Polio has been eradicated because of vaccines. That is the whole point.

“I never had any

I am not dead.“

Well clearly. Because anyone who died from a preventable disease won’t be posting here, will they?

I’d be flummoxed too, OP. People can be so blasé and stupid about vaccinations. Listening to a mate over your doctor? Come ON.

Polio is spread via the faecal-oral route, so better handwashing would decrease transmission, but not as much as vaccination which would stop the virus being in the stools in the first place!

Are we really still arguing about the fact, yes fact, that anyone who doesn’t vaccinate their children is deluded at best

sigh so far every week we have this subject is there anyway I can put up my last comments from the last time without having to hunt through? So many fake experts with inaccurate comment based on faulty misleading information.