SIL has not vaccinated my nieces

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My baby has been booked in for her vaccinations soon. I asked my sister in law, who has primary school aged kids, about the experience and I was flabbergasted when she said she didn't get their jabs. I can't quite believe it!

When I asked why, she said the risks outweighed the pros but she struggled to articulate what the risks were beyond 'potential death'. I said that that was also the downside of not getting the jabs too! She said she was persuaded when her friend said that the jabs couldn't be undone if her kids had a reaction.

AIBU to be shocked and quite disappointed about this? I'm not looking forward to it by any means, but the eradication of many awful diseases and protection against those still prevalent is surely a non negotiable?

When her kids don't get these diseases, she'll be vindicated but that will likely be because the majority have had their jabs rather than proving jabs were unnecessary.

I imagine I'll get over this - my child will be protected - but I'm just at hearing this news.

Nothing to do with us living longer.

Nothing to do with vaccines either. We live in an increasingly carcinogenic world - pollution of air and water supplies, additives in food, sugar, increased meat consumption, obesity. Not to mention that many, many more children with complex health issues survive babyhood and therefore live to get cancer when in the past they would have died as babies or very young children before living long enough to get cancer.

There is no scientifically supported link between vaccinations and cancer.

Nothing to do with vaccines either.

How can you possibly know thus?

www.globalresearch.ca/dirty-vaccines-new-study-reveals-prevalence-of-contaminants/5572881

Find me some studies on this please. I'll happily read them. Problem, as always, is the tiny population of unvaccinated children isn't big enough to do meaningful research on the subject, unfortunately. How can anyone unpick vaccine related illnesses when nearly all children are vaccinated. There isn't a big enough control group.

Fake news, fake science is anything not rubber stamped by the ministry of information. Pravda couldn't hold a candle to you lot.

I used to live abroad in a country which didn’t have a widespread vaccination programme and where children do routinely die of entirely preventable diseases like tuberculosis. I’ve seen what parents go through watching their children die when it didn’t need to happen.

And it is the ULTIMATE western privilege to choose not to vaccinate your kids and to rely on the herd immunity created by other, more responsible parents. Because if every parent in the UK made the same selfish, ignorant, irresponsible decision then babies would die in their thousands and you would be banging on the hospital doors begging for someone to offer you a miracle like a vaccination.

Also...most medical research is government funded, and the people who force vaccinations on the masses are not going to fund such research. I tried to get funding for a study that wasn't in the government's best interests. I was laughed out the door, clearly.

Ok, let’s indulge your conspiracy. What benefit does the government get from forcing vaccines on people if they make public health worse? Bearing in mind that healthcare is government funded. And bearing in mind that successive governments of different political persuasions have endorsed vaccines so it’s not a party political issue.

What’s the reason for this global conspiracy to make people ill?

"Questionnaire surveys or interviews with doctors are, however, standard procedures internationally and have been used in many studies. Furthermore, the information documents morbidity for which advice or treatment had been provided in the health care system."

This is a legitimate study, the one Cath linked to wasnt.
Quibble i dont think any one on this thread actually knows what you are after. Have you even bothered to look yourself?

People are anti-vaxxers because they feel there is a perverse glamour associates with the way they see themselves as persecuted victims. This is common to all conspiracy theorists.

They aren’t thinking about what it would be like to watch their baby die of a preventable disease because they chose not to protect them. They’re thinking of themselves as brave warriors, standing up against mysterious, shadowy enemies that even they can’t properly define. They feel empowered as better and more caring parents, and no science can penetrate that.

It’s not really about research, or evidence. It’s about feeling they’re part of a movement, like they’re standing up for something.

HelpmeobiMN
Totally agree with you, but add a little dunning- kruger element as well

Totally agree with you, but add a little dunning- kruger element as well

Oh yes, 100%!

bruffin of course I have.

HelpmeobiMN you are very wrong.

But, heartbreakingly, I am not wrong. I am right. And children die because anti-vaxxers put their own stupid self-importance ahead of their own babies’ lives.

Write it nice and clearly exactly what you want.
Polish MMR study vs singles for anyone who is interested

I believe what Quibbled wants is a larger sample size of unvaccinated children to do studies on to prove that they are healthier than vaccinated kids. Apparently the thousands of children who died of smallpox before the vaccination eradicated it is insufficient, but it isn’t clear why.

HelpmeobiMN the only non-vaxxers I know have first hand experience of sudden onset developmental regression post MMR, or severe "allergic"/ toxic reaction to other vaccines. You'd label them anti-vax and selfish though.

I believe what Quibbled wants is a larger sample size of unvaccinated children to do studies on to prove that they are healthier than vaccinated kids

Nope. My comments on that issue were simply conversation in response to someone else's post about studies being flawed. I don't want to prove a particular side. I just want to see an unbiased and independent study.

Bruffin's directed you to some.

There are thousands of unbiased studies which you choose to ignore because they don’t fit with your ideology. It’s laughable.

And yes - every parent who chooses not to vaccinate their kids (except those who can’t because their kids have legitimate medical concerns that prevent it) is selfish. No ifs or buts or maybes about it. They are people who put their self importance before the lives of their children, and the lives of other children who can’t be vaccinated and who rely on herd immunity,

You can’t argue with anti-vaxxers. just like you can’t argue with conspiracy theorists. They will disregard anything that doesn’t support their ideas.

If they wanted to they could use google and find thousands of helpful sources, from beginners guides to full scholarly journals

There is a reason why they don’t!