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SIL has not vaccinated my nieces

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Pittcuecothecookbook · 12/08/2018 19:49

My baby has been booked in for her vaccinations soon. I asked my sister in law, who has primary school aged kids, about the experience and I was flabbergasted when she said she didn't get their jabs. I can't quite believe it!

When I asked why, she said the risks outweighed the pros but she struggled to articulate what the risks were beyond 'potential death'. I said that that was also the downside of not getting the jabs too! She said she was persuaded when her friend said that the jabs couldn't be undone if her kids had a reaction.

AIBU to be shocked and quite disappointed about this? I'm not looking forward to it by any means, but the eradication of many awful diseases and protection against those still prevalent is surely a non negotiable?

When her kids don't get these diseases, she'll be vindicated but that will likely be because the majority have had their jabs rather than proving jabs were unnecessary.

I imagine I'll get over this - my child will be protected - but I'm just Shock at hearing this news.

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Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 16/08/2018 10:07

Wel scientists don’t know either mairy so your speculation is no less worthy than anyone else’s

The cleanliness idea is still not really proven

Vaccines do affect the immune system - that is what they are meant to do. What else do they do? Is it the adjuvants? Isyhe immune system some how “lazier” If it hasn’t worked through measles and mumps?

I don’t even think this could be studied now as it would be unethical in terms of finding a study group

FWIW I don’t give my kids the flu vaccine and I spaced out their childhood vaccines. I don’t vaccinate my dogs more than three yearly.

MairyHole · 16/08/2018 10:08

Cath, how about providing a link to this study?

When you search all that comes up is Wakefield's retracted lies that caused him to be struck off as a doctor for fraud.

MairyHole · 16/08/2018 10:10

Vaccines stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies. Like exposure to disease does.

Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 16/08/2018 10:13

And so what mairy? That doesn’t mean the process is the same - clearly. The immune system working through the measles virus in a vaccine isn’t the same overall bodily process. It’s contacted differently for a start. It enters the body differently. You wouldn’t normally contract measles and mumps and rubella at the same time. There are adjuvants in a vaccine.

Yes it’s amazing but let’s not assume there are no adverse reactions - even mild and subtle implications for the immune system

MairyHole · 16/08/2018 10:16

"I don’t even think this could be studied now as it would be unethical in terms of finding a study group"

It is being studied.

No-one wants to vaccinate at any cost. They do research all the time to ensure they are as safe as possible.

Why on earth wouldn't they? Vaccination is done for human health. Of course over time the process will be refined and improved. That has been the case since vaccination was discovered.

But it is downright irresponsible to question the value of vaccinating at all because you "ponder" something.

MairyHole · 16/08/2018 10:17

No-one who is pro vaccine in this thread has said there are no adverse reactions.

They have said that the evidence is that it is significantly more beneficial to vaccinate.

Vaccines continue to be researched and improved all the time. That is a fact.

Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 16/08/2018 11:51

It can’t be studied! Find me a reasonable number of unvaccinated in a population of vaccinated and i will give you a hundred quid!

Of course I can ponder - it’s now irresponsible to think!! Away boil yer heid woman!

MairyHole · 16/08/2018 11:55

Nope, it's irresponsible to spread lies about vaccines. Ponder all you like. As I've said multiple times.

It can be studied and is being studied... A little research goes a long way. Smile

RomanyRoots · 16/08/2018 12:02

It's up to parents to vaccinate their dc if they want to.
It's up to those who can't to avoid those that don't want to, and those that don't want to can avoid those that can't.
As long as people are honest about their intention, no problem.

Arthuritis · 16/08/2018 12:35

@RomanyRoots

How can I avoid unvaccinated children? Should parents make them wear a sign or something? Or would it be best for all immunocompromised people to lock ourselves away?

How about those who choose not to vaccinate to stay well away from everyone else?

RomanyRoots · 16/08/2018 12:49

Arthur

My children came first, just like everybody else's. The one that couldn't be immunised after the first set was protected until they were able.
it was my job to protect her to make sure she didn't catch these diseases.
So yes, I did lock her away in some cases, wouldn't you Shock
It doesn't matter why a child hasn't been immunised, if you have one that needs protecting, it's your responsibility to do this, not expect everyone else to immunise for your benefit.
Our other two were fine and immunised when applicable.

MairyHole · 16/08/2018 13:11

Hi Cath, that looks like a Daily Mail link containing an anecdote.

Will you ever engage with me on a discussion of the actual evidence? Like how the study you posted didn't have evidence for its negative claims? Or how you obviously hadn't read it?

I linked to the underlying study if you are interested in reading anything about vaccines that isn't a bunch of lies.

Cathmidston · 16/08/2018 13:14

A bunch of lies decided by you?.... as the only authority on the subject?

I won’t engage with you anymore as you’ve consistently been obnoxious

MairyHole · 16/08/2018 13:18

No, as in the link you posted contained an actual, provable lie.

Let's be honest. You won't engage with me because you know you have not one shred of actual evidence for your opinions.

If you were interested in the underlying facts and whether vaccines are mostly good or mostly bad you would engage with the evidence. The fact that you won't speaks volumes. It's incredibly sad.

Glasgowgin · 16/08/2018 13:24

I'm a GP. EVERY single doctor's kids I know are fully vaccinated. I remember seeing pneumoccal meningitis, HiB epiglottitis in my career and they are not nice diseases.

Ask your SIL to google tetanus. Herd immunity has no relevance here it's caught from spores in soil etc entering a wound. Not a nice way to die.

While she's at it she can google SSPE ( a horrible encephalitis that hits people years after measles.) Rare admittedly but also not a nice way to die.

Cathmidston · 16/08/2018 13:29

No Mairy.. you’re the one intent on not engaging. That link was mainstream...purely for your benefit as no other links are trustworthy or acceptable as far as you’re concerned .. I’ve no doubt most mainstream vaccine articles are peppered with untruths FWIW. It’s certainly not one I would have ordinarily endorsed for that very reason.

You’re being utterly vile to anyone who even dares to remotely question the vaccine schedule to the point I actually think you’re trolling... so no, I’ve no interest in engaging with you on any level

MairyHole · 16/08/2018 13:34

Let me clarify. Your link claimed that 2 studies were evidence for the fact that vaccines cause autoimmune problems.

Those 2 studies said NOTHING OF THE KIND. What's your explanation? Aren't you interested in that?

Why won't you engage with that point? Did you read the underlying evidence?

I've not been vile to you, I've been talking to a brick wall! You won't engage with anything if it might prove you wrong. What are you so afraid of?

Suewiang · 16/08/2018 14:26

Cant blame anyone not engaging with a hole

Suewiang · 16/08/2018 14:30

Don’t forget cath she has spoken so she must be right as no one is allowed to have there own opinions or decisions for themselves.

Lightsonthewater · 16/08/2018 14:37

My friend’s son was admitted to hospital the evening of his first vax and treated for suspected sepsis, had spinal tap, anti biotic IV for a week. Got the all clear but he needs to be hospitalised fjrveach subsequent set as a precaution. They haven’t let that put them off

Cathmidston · 16/08/2018 14:39

Indeed sue x

Arthuritis · 16/08/2018 15:12

@RomanyRoots

I have no problem with children not being vaccinated for medical reasons. That is why it is so important that those who can be, are. We need to maintain herd immunity.

I still maintain that anti vaxxers, whilst decrying all vaccines, are only comfortable doing it because they are relying on the majority that take up vaccinations to offer some protection to their children.

Cathmidston · 16/08/2018 15:26

Arthuritis I can’t speak for anyone else, but I can categorically say that the notion of herd immunity has nothing to do with my decision

YouCantStopTheSignal · 16/08/2018 15:29

formula could be contaminated (impossible with breastfeeding)

Just wanted to say that breastmilk can be contaminated too. Expressed milk obviously carries the highest risk of contamination as it's then outside the body and subject to bacteria, etc but milk directly from the breast can also be contaminated, for example mothers who are rapid-metabolisers of opiate based medications can deliver a fatal dose of morphine to their breastfed infant via their milk and there have actually been infant deaths associated with this (I'm a rapid-metaboliser, a very low dose of codeine is enough to knock me out and it gave DC2 overdose symptoms which is how we found out that I'm a rapid-metaboliser).