SIL has not vaccinated my nieces

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My baby has been booked in for her vaccinations soon. I asked my sister in law, who has primary school aged kids, about the experience and I was flabbergasted when she said she didn't get their jabs. I can't quite believe it!

When I asked why, she said the risks outweighed the pros but she struggled to articulate what the risks were beyond 'potential death'. I said that that was also the downside of not getting the jabs too! She said she was persuaded when her friend said that the jabs couldn't be undone if her kids had a reaction.

AIBU to be shocked and quite disappointed about this? I'm not looking forward to it by any means, but the eradication of many awful diseases and protection against those still prevalent is surely a non negotiable?

When her kids don't get these diseases, she'll be vindicated but that will likely be because the majority have had their jabs rather than proving jabs were unnecessary.

I imagine I'll get over this - my child will be protected - but I'm just at hearing this news.

"There are almost no live vaccines used any more, only one I can think of is Yellow Fever, all the rest are fully attenuated (dead/virus particles)."

Rotavirus and MMR are both live I think. Certainly rotavirus is as you have to be careful with nappies for a short while.

@pikehau - thank you. Maternity leave has been difficult because I really haven't ever had any one on one time with my baby but obviously I am just thankful they are all okay.

My GP and PHE were very clear that there was no risk of anyone catching measles from the MMR booster my son had. This is also clear on the NHS website. If there had been such a risk my son couldn't have had the booster as we didn't know if I had immunity at the point in which he was given it.

Friend is an anti vaxx, amber teething necklace wearing, breastmilk can cure everything, knit your own baby wearing wrap from lentils new age muppet at times. I just think she's a bloody idiot for some of these views and ignore... but there's no way I'd have a newborn around her kids knowing her vaccination stance.

2 of her kids are mid diagnosis for autism as well - despite her adamant protests that MMR causes it.

Mine were vaccinated - we tweaked the timing slightly for DD2 for various medical reasons, and she did react fairly markedly to the MMR - came right up in the measles rash basically - but still completed the course of them all.

Very wrong
MMR is a live vaccine as are these others
Rotavirus
Shingles
Chickenpox
Flu
Yellow fever
Typhoid. The oral version not the Injection version
Plus others more related to travel

The autism links to MMR were never really proved though once a scare is started it is hard to stop it

People who don't get the MMR on the ground that it causes autism (which it fucking doesn't) piss me off. They're basically saying they'd rather have a dead child than a child like mine.

After watching the film ‘Breathe’ I would never avoid the polio vaccine. Brilliant film - I really recommend if anyone hasn’t seen it.

Suewiang

No, you’re wrong. Other than Rotavirus vaccine, for which simple, brief precautions can taken, AFAIK the others are not considered to present any likelihood of transmission.

Please link to an authoritative source if I’m wrong - I’ll happily accept being corrected.

As far as NHS advice on MMR is concerned (since Quibbled referred to measles shedding), they confirm no risk of transmission at all.

If I’m right please come and correct your comment. False scares about vaccines shouldn’t be allowed to stand.

The MMR-autism link has been thoroughly discredited. It’s not a case of “never really proved”: there’s no evidence for it at all.

@sue it's not a case of links between MMR and autism never ' really' being proved. MMR does not cause autism ...there is NO link

No I’m not wrong if you bother to look them up

@suiwiang - yes they are live but they are attenuated meaning they are a weakened live virus and no longer virulent so they do not become infectious.

All live vaccines give you a mild version of the disease it’s to prevent which in turn puts any weak already sick person or person unable to be vaccinated at the risk of getting the diseases from the person Inoculated,it’s not rocket science it’s fact simple as.

Yes, you are wrong. If you want to overturn NHS advice you should have good evidence. You don’t. You have none.

If you make the claim of risk you should back it up or remove it.

We know all live vaccines are weakened otherwise you’d get the full disease obviously.

They are safe to healthy people for that reason

But they are not safe to vulnerable people and nor is it safe for vulnerable people to be around those just vaccinated

@sue - please list your sources - everything you are saying goes against all medical research I have seen and what I was advised by senior doctors and PHE. I'm with @plimmy here these kind of comments play into the hands of an anti-vacs and can be enough to prevent them getting the vaccine. If we are wrong please show us the evidence.

8 years of study and work is my information thankyou but if you’d like something to read one site I can direct to is a university of oxford vaccination research group.
Called the Vaccine Knowkedge Project

vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/faqs-about-vaccines

But as you seem to like to bury your head in the sand and think you know everything I doubt you’ll bother to look nor have interest in another’s work and experience.

As you think only your opinion is right and everyone else is wrong I doubt it will make any difference.

If people have all the facts infront of them instead of guessing they can choose for themselves. It’s why we were given brains to make our own decisions.

Thank you. That link is authoritative and persuasive - and shows you to be more or less completely wrong.

If a child is not vaccinated for no good reason (medical reasons) then that child should be home schooled IMO.

I thought schools wanted copies of vaccinations? I had to hand one over.

@sue no need to be rude or presumptive - i've been perfectly polite in my posts and asked for your evidence so of course I will look at it. Perhaps if you want people to hear your side of things you should work on the way you interact with people and they might be more amenable to listening to what you have to say.

This who don't vaX. Can I ask if you take your child abroad? I know that all those who have been vaccinated in the UK offer your DC protection but I'm interested to know what happens when you go abroad on holiday? Can you be sure that they won't pick something up overseas?

The chances of picking something up in the UK are quite low now, although these diseases are on the rise. However, even getting a mild dose of something can affect their lives. I know someone in their late 40's who contracted measles or mumps when 11 and as a result they are infertile. That has had a devastating effect on his life.

YouCantStopTheSignal
They're basically saying they'd rather have a dead child than a child like mine.

No, they'd rather have a healthy child. Not being vaccinated is not a death sentence.

LaInfantaTortilla
You can't take your child to any country that requires vaccine certificates. For example, I have never been able to travel to Egypt as I cannot have the yellow fever vaccination. I have travelled to many other countries with no problems whatsoever and have only had one vaccination (which hospitalised me for several weeks) in my life.

Tortilla, yes. Travel abroad to places with an elevated infection risk generally gets anti-vaxxers down the travel clinic.

At home, anti-vaxxers usually get their children tetanus shots, because they can’t hide behind herd immunity with that one anywhere.