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AIBU- Inlaws dilemma- Help!!

187 replies

Advice79 · 09/08/2018 10:19

Apologies for long post!

DH and I have been married 8 years 3 kids and currently expecting our 4th child.

We took FIL to his GP appointment yesterday, and they advised a repeat blood test needed. FIL is out of country 6 months of year due to work, and flying out of country on Saturday. I quickly drafted a letter to GP from him asking permissions for full medical history including bloods/results/appointments could be discussed with Husband, and sister in law as there have been issues in the past over communications from which meant him flying back unnecessarily.

I asked FIL if he wanted me in there he said yes, so I added myself too. (For background I usually sort out his appointments, repeat prescriptions, collections etc). Note we live almost 80 miles from his GP, and SIL has never done this in the last few years.

FIL took letter into surgery and I emailed it to SIL, me and hubby so everyone is in the loop. We then took FIL to hospital for blood test to be done asap.

SIL then messages me to say following

"Hi I’m not comfortable with the GP discussing my Dad’s medical condition with you at the same time that it will be discussed with Hubby and I. It’s not appropriate and it’s not right as we are his children. I’ve spoken to FIL about this in the past when you have suggested this before and he agreed that that is not what he wanted. I’ll speak to him about it again but there appears to be crossed wires here.

I say "ok".

At this point I speak to hubby who is in hospital with FIL and he says SIL called him, and he explained to her that FIL was happy for me to be added to letter, and consented, it wasn't done in a malicious/cohersive way.

She replies

"I’ve just seen your email. I’ll write back to the GP today once I’ve spoken to FIL to get the letter reverted. In future I would ask that as my Dad’s daughter matters such as these are discussed with me also before any action I’d taken. It’s going to now look odd that a further letter is done"

I replied stating it's inappropriate she contacts me and that she needs to discuss with FIL and my hubby. She states she doesn't know what's inappropriate and that she is well within her rights to have this view. I state the following.

"To be honest if you dont know there is no point in discussing it with you. There are many different ways in which this situation could have been dealt with and I didn't need to be involved in any of it. What is clear is that you clearly have an issue with me, and that's fine, but I am pregnant, and dont need this addition stress and attitude from you, so I would appreciate it if you don't contact me further. As previously stated please discuss with Hubby and FIL . This would have been the most appropriate way of dealing with it, as it is his medical record, and I only did what FIL discussed with me and hubby and followed his wishes. This is my opinion and I'm well within my rights to have a view too just like you"

She then replies "Stop messaging me then and stay out of family matters"

Heated conversations then took place later that evening between hubby, FIL and SIL, and SIL states to hubby that I shouldn't get involved as I'm not her family, and these are family matters, (but I'm good enough to sort out flight bookings, collecting prescriptions, take him shopping etc when needed). I only get involved in things if FIL directly asks me to help him with something.

Hubby states I am family and she doesn't get to decide who is family or not. She repeats about 10/20 times I'm not her family.

Hubby then asks if our kids are her family, she states Yes, but Your wife is not family. Hubby then states if I am not family then there is no point in any family relations, and that she needs to apologise for her comments. She says never. Hubby explains situation cannot be left as is, and things cannot just go back to normal after her comments. SIL doesn't understand and that they can! Hubby states that if she doesn't understand there is no point in continuing contact.

Who is being unreasonable here?

OP posts:
genivert · 09/08/2018 12:57

Why is a man who is capable of working abroad for six months of the year getting all these women involved in his health care?

This.

Stop the women's work.

You'll have 4 DC soon. Focus on your and their needs first, unless your fil is mentally incapable of dealing with this stuff himself or proactively pushes for assistance, leave an adult to sort this out themselves.

The whole incessant drama sounds exhausting, just back away quietly.

BewareOfDragons · 09/08/2018 12:59

Your SIl is a bitch. This is FIL's decision to make, not hers.

Your DH is doing the right thing by supporting you and laying it out for her: you are all family, or she can go.

timeisnotaline · 09/08/2018 13:00

You don’t get to say my children are family but I’m not without repercussions. The only situation I can see that being ok is if my dh has married again - their stepmother should consider them family but not me. Totally ok with the kids not seeing sil!

And all those saying op has pushed herself into fils medical records. He appreciated her help. His selfish lazy daughter was hardly stepping up. Honestly if she were a nice person you’d know as it would have been a completely different opening communication. Fil is rather spineless for being unable to make up his mind once challenged, but op should step back and her dh make sure sil pulls her weight. I suspect sil won’t.

Lifeinthelastlane · 09/08/2018 13:01

You seem glad the thread has given you the validation to cut your dc off from their auntie.

Bottom line is you asked your fil if he objected to you having access to his medical info, he didn't ask you to you put yourself forward. It wasn't enough for you to have his son on it, and he will have been put on the spot - hard to say no without offending you, and I suspect you are easily offended!

diddl · 09/08/2018 13:03

" FIL doesn't drive, is in late 70's and has a mobility issue."

How on earth does he manage when he's away?

It's great that you have done so much, but it was never going to be sustainable.

It's sad that it has all come about the way that it has but perhaps as well that it did all come to a head!

How far away is is daughter from him?

Advice79 · 09/08/2018 13:13

@lifeinthefastlane as said previously hubby also spoke to FIL (when I was not there) on the same day and asked several times if he wanted me on there and if he didn't it could be changed. FIL said no he doesn't want it changed several times. It was only upto the point where he stayed at SIL that hubby asked for a 3 way call and the conversation was lead my SIL (leading questions) that FIL said he didn't. I even said after it all kicked off that we should drive to the GP as we were still local and remove me to save all the aggro and I wouldn't be offended, FIL still said no, he wanted me on there, as his SIL doesn't do anything when he asks her to. He was very adamant.

@ Diddl- SIL lives approx 1 hr away from GP by public transport.

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Seeingadistance · 09/08/2018 13:14

The OP's FIL is strangely passive and silent in all of this. If he's capable of living on his own abroad, for 6 months of the year, running his business and travelling internationally, then he must be capable of contacting a lawyer and making sure that his personal affairs are suitably taken care of.

Why hasn't this happened?

Does his GP know that he spends 6 months of the year resident and working in another country? Where does he live when he's in the UK? Is the GP 80 miles from the OP or from the FIL's UK home? Or is this all being dealt with informally because the FIL no longer lives within the GP's area and wouldn't be entitled to treatment if the GP were aware of that, assuming they aren't?

Advice79 · 09/08/2018 13:16

@lifeinthefastlane as also stated this is the final straw in a long line of ongoing issues with SIL, and I think 8 years is long enough to put up with rudeness, dramas and making everything about her. I can appreciate that I haven't gone into the details of these so it's difficult to understand if you dont agree with the NC

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Gazelda · 09/08/2018 13:17

You've been a great help to FIL in the past, but I think you are right to now graciously step back.
Your FIL obviously acknowledges your help and appreciates it.
But it's time for your DH and SIL to step up.
I wonder whether there is a difference in your cultures/backgrounds which might explain her clear lines about who is and is it family? On the face of it, I think it would be an overreaction to go NC over this issue, but you say there is history so only you can decide.
I think it would be unreasonable to expect her to have NC with her brother's children.
I think your DH and FIL are being passive spectators in a power struggle between two strong minded women.
I think your SIL feels (rightly) guilty that you've been the main support to her father for so long, and is now trying to re-claim her place in the family dynamic.

RB68 · 09/08/2018 13:18

She is unreasonable and she has no right to interfere with FIL wishes. I suggest no more running around for FIL from you. You have your own shit to deal with and she needs to just be ignored going forward. It is not her prerogative to dictate what her father does or doesn't allow others to do

threecee · 09/08/2018 13:18

Most GP's wouldn't have a patient who lives 80 miles away on his books ! also who does blood tests etc when he is abroad ? or does he just have a full MOT on the NHS when he is here for 6 months ?

Query1 · 09/08/2018 13:19

If your FIL has the ability to work across the globe, surely he also has the ability to sort out his own flights and medical appointments etc? Why has it been left to you anyway if he is capable of doing these things himself?

Advice79 · 09/08/2018 13:19

Seeingadistance yes GP is aware he is away 6/12 months of the year. This isn't the issue here though. Just for clarification though the NHS rules are as below.

If you are living in an EEA country or Switzerland and you receive an exportable UK pension, contribution-based Employment Support Allowance or another exportable benefit, you may be entitled to state healthcare paid for by the UK. You will need to apply for a certificate of entitlement known as an S1 form.

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Mitzimaybe · 09/08/2018 13:20

As he lives abroad for more than 6 months of the year then he is not legally entitled to use NHS services so the situation shouldn't arise.

Advice79 · 09/08/2018 13:21

Threecee FIL lives local to his GP but has mobility issues we live 80 miles away.

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CocoaGin70 · 09/08/2018 13:21

Let her crack on with it. And point FIL in her direction when he asks for something next.

And it's pretty shitty of your FIL to basically live abroad but come back to use the NHS. I wouldn't want my name attached to any of his medical care for that reason alone.

Advice79 · 09/08/2018 13:22

Mitzymaybe that is incorrect, as a pensioner he is entitled, but again this is not the aibu

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JellyBaby666 · 09/08/2018 13:22

I think spare yourself the agro to be honest.

Back away, let your SIL know what you've done for him and then stop doing it and hand it over to her. No need for drama just 'He IS your dad, you can manage it I'm sure' and leave her be.

If he needs to give someone legal access to his records, or legal power of attorney, then he needs to contact a lawyer and put his affairs in order.

Maybe he also simply needs showing how to do the things you're doing for him - arranging a doctors appointment, collecting a prescription doesn't involve technology and is fairly easy to do. I'm baffled why you're doing it, if he cant, your DH or SIL need to step up!

Mitzimaybe · 09/08/2018 13:22

Cross-posted I see he has an exemption, sorry.

JellyBaby666 · 09/08/2018 13:23

Posted too soon! But also, please don't use your children as a weapon. My SIL is always one for 'well then don't see me or the kids' if she ever gets called out on her behaviour or when my dad has asked for money back she's borrowed. It's tiring, and ultimately the children suffer.

Advice79 · 09/08/2018 13:23

Again this thread is not about using the NHS. He is fully entitled to do so following discussions/entitlements under NHS England guidance

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Duskqueen · 09/08/2018 13:26

She is smelling the inheritance and is getting worried that you FIL will change his will to include you, in thanks for all your help.

Lifeinthelastlane · 09/08/2018 13:27

The fil may well have paid taxes/NI in the UK for years, I find it hard to get het up about him using the NHS.
My (late) parents lived a day's travel from me, there are lots of ways elderly people can get to medical appointments that don't involve their sons or daughters taking them. That's not to say you don't help with what you can, but unless it's for something serious your own children need your time rather than spending hours driving for one blood test.

longwayoff · 09/08/2018 13:28

She sounds tiresome and self absorbed. Drop the lot in her lap and hear her whinge "I have to do EVERYTHING"

Seeingadistance · 09/08/2018 13:34

OP, thanks for clarifying the situation re NHS entitlement.

Do you know why your FIL hasn't made any effort himself to sort out his personal affairs through a lawyer? That would seem the most sensible approach, and one which takes family feelings and emotions out of it.

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