To think Boris Johnson should be be thrown out of Tory party?

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He is clearly racist. He should be thrown out of the Conservative party.

Because that's not the way human society works.

Oh, come off it. 'human society' is perfectly capable of looking the other way in a cafe. If you're goggling at a couple of other punters, you're being spectacularly rude and/or must have nothing of much interest going on at your own table.

scary, 'I was just trying to explain how much of what goes on in a classroom is by looking at faces, as facial expressions tell you an awful lot.' Yes, I understand that, as I've said. My point was that people other than those wearing a veil may also not use 'standard' facial expressions (I think some people with autism, for example, don't have 'typical' facial expressions?), and that a skilled teacher can and should be able to read other non-verbal cues.

Ghosto

You made my point for me. Mass immigration was allowed under labour and later the Tories. Labour should be capitalising on this and on the offensive

Boris says inflammatory things that are head lines in all the papers and wheres labour

Helmet

its not racist

Pages and pages of posters agreeing. You cannot be racist against a religion or culture which is a life style choice any one can make

It’s not racist to either examine or discuss religious and cultural practises it’s vital.

He was crass, rude and I think mysogynistic but he wasn’t racist.

You are getting mixed up.

Great article scary but it's not just well meaning lefties she has to fight who are defending the indefensible it's not political
Even Ruth Davidson came out today and said its no different to wearing a cross.
I used to think she could be a good pm, not now.

Also saw the interesting guardian article someone posted on ukip supporters going back to the left.

Why are they a "vulnerable minority group"? Are they? Really?

Is it really hard to understand that they are vulnerable? If people really do believe that they are oppressive garments, that they restrict the womens’ activities, that they come from a patriarchal place then yes - these women are vulnerable. Not all of them, of course. We have seen the numbers of hate crimes against Muslims rising. Boris didn’t care a jot about that though when he decided to fan the flames.

If we lived in a society where there was hatred and hate crimes against white men in crumpled shirts. Then maybe that analogy about criticising his crumpled shirt would work. But, you would also have to do it in a demeaning way.

Agree that ogling people in a cafe are rude.

We should never stare at other people! Or make them feel uncomfortable, but that also comes back on itself as the burka is extreme repression based only on sex... In a country that's supposed to be equal.

I don't see how anyone can compare autism to wearing a burka in a class room.

Shame all the gernola eaters weren’t up in arms in the same way when the anti semites were out in force not calling for JC ahead to roll I see

I read something on FB today, posted by an adult daughter whose mother, wearing niquab, was URINATED on in the street by three young white men. Absolutely disgusting.

I very much doubt the young men were Daily Telegraph readers, but this the kind of behaviour that is being stirred up, and no one in power actually seems to care.

Boris is a manipulative, narcissistic, dangerous twat.

Some of the comments on here, Jeez, postcards from another planet. Not everyone, of course, but far more people support what Boris has said than don't. You are a self-important minority, with odd views and a bad case of compulsive virtue signalling.

Here's a few forecasts:

• Britain will follow France, Denmark, Austria, Belgium, Latvia and Bulgaria in banning the burqa;
• All halal meat, whether on sale in a shop or served in a restaurant, will have to be marked as such, so non-Muslims don't eat it unknowingly;
• The entire concept of 'hate speech' will be scrapped and people will be allowed to speak their minds, whether this causes offence or not, so long as there is no incitement to violence;
• Far from being removed from the Tory Party, Boris will be their next leader and will push through a WTO Brexit;
• The Tories will win the next General Election.

Let's see how that pans out.

Shame all the gernola eaters weren’t up in arms in the same way when the anti semites were out in force not calling for JC ahead to roll I see

I’m not a Labour voter, and I don’t eat granola. That’s how you spell it btw

I read something on FB today, posted by an adult daughter whose mother, wearing niquab, was URINATED on in the street by three young white men. Absolutely disgusting.

That’s horrific! But I’m guessing it’s going to get less and less surprising if we keep ignoring the ways that politicians like Boris work.

Not everyone, of course, but far more people support what Boris has said than don't. You are a self-important minority, with odd views and a bad case of compulsive virtue signalling.

WhollyFather Just to be sure what you’re saying? Boris doesn’t want to ban niqabs or burkas. That’s what he said in his article. Do you think most people agree that a ban shouldn’t be enforced?

Or, are you saying that most people agree only with his descriptions of bank robbers and postboxes? Do you think that people agree with using demeaning descriptions?

You’ve said that Britain would follow in banning the burka. But, Boris wouldn’t be for that according to his article.

I don't see how anyone can compare autism to wearing a burka in a class room.

If that refers to my post, my point (again) was that it's not only people wearing a burka who present issues in terms of reading non-verbal cues and facial expressions. My understanding (although I am willing to be proved wrong) is that some people with, for example, autism don't have 'standard' facial expressions, and that they therefore might require very skilled and careful 'reading' in an educational/communication context.

The entire concept of 'hate speech' will be scrapped and people will be allowed to speak their minds, whether this causes offence or not, so long as there is no incitement to violence;

and yet hate speech can lead to violence. Slippery slope. If you're happy to verbally abuse someone because of their religion or colour of their skin then why not give they a kicking as well?

Helmet
its not racist
Say you. I haven't said either way.

Pages and pages of posters agreeing.
Eh, there's lot of disagreement. What are you talking about?

You cannot be racist against a religion or culture which is a life style choice any one can make
Yes, you can be accused of making hate-speech against a religion. Please don't pretend you can't.

It’s not racist to either examine or discuss religious and cultural practises it’s vital
Who said it was?
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He was crass, rude and I think mysogynistic but he wasn’t racist.
You are getting mixed up.

I think YOU are getting very mixed up.

Ah well, I see Boris Johnson is to be investigated for Islamophobia. Do get them in touch with your insightful analysis, eh.

So your expecting teachers to jump through hoops and try and read cues from students under the veil?

Just like they should with people who are born with disabilities?

Shame all the gernola eaters weren’t up in arms in the same way when the anti semites were out in force not calling for JC ahead to roll I see

What is this?

Labour should be capitalising on this and on the offensive

Capitalising on what? Using migrants as scape goats for 30 years of failed neo liberal dogma? No thanks we've got a whole gutter press and right wing cabal set up to do that already.

Jeez, postcards from another planet. Not everyone, of course, but far more people support what Boris has said than don't. You are a self-important minority, with odd views and a bad case of compulsive virtue signalling.

This is the planet where the gernola eaters are up in arms, is it?

DarlingNikita I could tell by a little tic flickering under the eye socket of one of my students that he was getting wound up (he had one to one all the time, and he was one of my Year 10 tutees). Another very challenging child went bright red in the face before he had an explosion - cue keeping an eye on his colour and his TA would have him out of the room. You can't pick those up with a niqab.

It's good Johnson is being investigated and hopefully as a result it will be made crystal clear that the nicab etc has zero to do with religion at all.

And hopefully this information will flood out across all media, and it will reach vulnerable women, I'll educated women... And make them think about why the men around them want this when it's nothing to do with Islam.

WhollyFather All halal meat, whether on sale in a shop or served in a restaurant, will have to be marked as such, so non-Muslims don't eat it unknowingly; That should be the case anyway, or that meat is not halal slaughtered as in Belgium, and if Halal meat is sold it is very clearly labelled as such.

No hate speech is when you invite violence or you contradict facts such as holocaust deny.

You are still mixed up. Boris was insulting but not racist. It’s very important to get this correct as racism and hate speech must be denied while still allowing robust and frank views on religion and culture.

Halal meat isn’t always labelled, this has been done to death on another thread.

So unless you’ve never shopped in Tesco, ASDA, or eaten at KFC, Nando’s, Pizza Express and other chain restaurants you’ve already eaten halal meat.

No hate speech is when you invite violence or you contradict facts such as holocaust deny.

Its much broader than that.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_the_United_Kingdom