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To think Boris Johnson should be be thrown out of Tory party?

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crunchymint · 07/08/2018 22:26

He is clearly racist. He should be thrown out of the Conservative party.

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LoveInTokyo · 09/08/2018 09:12

The initial polls suggest this could be true, it is not just a right wing issue either considering the comments made by Khan and Thornbury in the past and why bans have been implemented across europe.

True, it's not just a right/left issue, it's a lot more complex than that.

Personally I do have a problem with the burka and to a lesser extent all other kinds of covering / requirement for women to dress modestly. It is misogynistic bullshit. If it weren't, the men would be doing the same. But is banning a proportionate response? I'm not sure. I live in France, one of the countries which has implemented a ban, and I like not seeing people walking around with their faced covered. I find it sinister. But what is the effect of the ban on women who were previously wearing them? Are they going out with their faces uncovered now, or do they stay inside? I don't know. I suspect that banning the burka simply hides the issue from people like me, who don't really want to confront it, rather than making it disappear.

I am neither right nor left wing and for what it's worth, I completely agree with what Sadiq Khan said. I also agree with some of what Boris said, but not the manner in which he expressed it.

The manner in which you express your opinion on sensitive matters like this is important. It is the difference between having a grown up debate and encouraging religious persecution of minorities.

I also don't believe for a moment that Boris Johnson is concerned about this issue or about women's welfare. Boris is the ultimate narcissist who doesn't care about anything except himself.

What is truly frightening here is the way that he seems to have reignited a baying mob calling for the burka to be banned, but no one can really pull him up on it. His article was not calling for the burka to be banned and although it contained a couple of silly and offensive remarks (deliberately, in order to get attention and rile people up), you would be hard pressed to find anything in his article which you could genuinely describe as racist.

I could easily see Farage doing the same thing, but with less subtlety and for a different motive. If Farage did it I could well believe that his motive was to drum up support for banning the burka.

But Boris?

He doesn't want to ban the burka. That article was, I believe, his truthful opinion, expressed in such a way as to drum up support for Boris from people who would like to see the burka banned. Even though he did not actually call for the burka to be banned.

Very very clever. He's played an absolute blinder.

Helmetbymidnight · 09/08/2018 09:13

Freedom of speech works both ways, there is also the freedom to criticise how someone else uses theirs.

Apparently it doesn't work like that, no. Hmm

GhostofFrankGrimes · 09/08/2018 09:16

Johnsons time as Mayor will be remembered for water cannons and the garden bridge project. Hardly successes.

DaisyTwirl · 09/08/2018 09:18

Agree with everything LoveinTokyo just posted!

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longwayoff · 09/08/2018 09:28

This is Boris nicking the ukip vote, pure and simple politicking for his leadership bid and subsequent election. Odious man.

Plimmy · 09/08/2018 09:46

He’ll have a job wrestling the ex-UKIP vote from Corbyn’s Labour.

PerkingFaintly · 09/08/2018 09:53

Here we have Boris saying that he disagrees with a ban on face veils. But, he cleverly includes some demeaning language to make sure that the people he is targeting stay on his side. Using this tactic, he can even disagree with them and they will still see him as their leader.

Yes yes!

Again this "something for everyone" tactic is familiar from recent US events.

Trump will frequently state something: "They tell me people who wear long red ties are psychopaths..."
Then resile from it: "Maybe it's not true..."
Then restate it: "But that's what they tell me."

And when you listen to his fans afterwards, each says, "He agrees with me on everything!" Even when the fans diametrically disagree with each other!

You can see it on this thread. A poster above says:
"I actually agree with the entire speech made by Boris. Most sensible comments he had made But I would ban it"

Sooo... in fact they don't agree with Boris' entire speech. But the maybe it feels like they do.

And as we saw explained in great detail by Cambridge Analytica, contemporary elections are won through capturing people's feelz.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 09/08/2018 09:59

He’ll have a job wrestling the ex-UKIP vote from Corbyn’s Labour.

The kipper votes went back to its natural home already.

theday.co.uk/politics/relief-for-may-as-tories-sweep-up-ukip-votes

imsorrydarling · 09/08/2018 10:02

‘Also we are expected to show tolerance towards lslam, where is their tolerance towards UK values. The way we are viewed by Islam in a very negative way. It works both ways.’

In what way are we expected to show tolerance and how are we viewed by Islam in a very negative way? They should just go back to where they came from right?

imsorrydarling · 09/08/2018 10:03

Some of the comments in this thread are just embarrassing.

Justanotherlurker · 09/08/2018 10:04

The kipper votes went back to its natural home already.

That's true

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/13/jeremy-corbyn-brought-ukip-voters-back-labour

GhostofFrankGrimes · 09/08/2018 10:08

bit out of date that article aint it?

longwayoff · 09/08/2018 10:12

The ukip vote will belong to whoever can best demonstrate their apparent distaste for difference. I suspect Bozza will be far more effective at this than Jezza, especially with Mr Bannon urging him on with his especially poisonous opinions.

Echo2 · 09/08/2018 10:15

A lot of UKIP voters used to support labour but I doubt they’ve gone back.
Who does labour represent these days?
I haven’t got a clue.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 09/08/2018 10:15

Only got to look at the BTL comments in the Tory supporting media outlets to see were the hate is. Rabid.

downthestrada · 09/08/2018 10:16

Perking yes I had noticed Trump doing this sort of thing too but hadn’t paid too much attention. I certainly will be now it’s happening here.

Plimmy · 09/08/2018 10:19

Really? You think Corbyn doesn’t seek to exaggerate and play on differences in race, religion, class, wealth, Euro-issues or (trans)gender?

I can’t recall a less tolerant mainstream party than current Labour.

Justanotherlurker · 09/08/2018 10:22

bit out of date that article aint it?

Well let's be honest, the UKIP vote never had the natural home that you liked.

The reason why UKIP came third is because they took votes from Labour and Conservatives and why we are in the shit show of brexit.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/08/2018 10:25

What I've noticed in general discussion (including here), however, is that it doesn't matter what's been said, the only thing is was it 'our side' or 'their side' who said it. People who defended Corbyn's racism are merrily slinging mud at Johnson and those who attacked Corbyn are falling over themselves to justify/retcon/reinterpret Johnson's racism. Would it really hurt to admit both are despicable?

I couldn't have put it better myself

GhostofFrankGrimes · 09/08/2018 10:26

The reason why UKIP came third is because they took votes from Labour and Conservatives and why we are in the shit show of brexit.

Thats abit of a cop out. Cameron could have held his ground and not held a referendum. The country is now held to ransom by the Tories eternal civil war over EU membership.

17 million people voted Brexit some of them because of anti foreigner rhetoric like the fear of Turkey (muslim country) joining.

DarlingNikita · 09/08/2018 10:27

Face coverings are intimidating

Yeah, I for one am terrified every time I see a 5-foot woman in a burka walking down the road with a bag of shopping and a toddler.

Helmetbymidnight · 09/08/2018 10:29

Both are despicable.

For me the idea that a privileged mp, would use his vast platform to mock an already widely mocked group is shite- it doesn’t matter who that mp is.

I would say that that I’m surprised so many people rush to defend it, but I’m not.

Rosstac · 09/08/2018 10:37

GhostofFrankGrimes But he made people vote for him, by putting it the manifesto to hold a referendum, You wouldn't want politicians to start deceiving people would you, It showed how out of touch he and the government was with the feeling in the country, He could have stood up the next day and said we have noted the publics feelings and we will work with the EU to make things better, or words like that, the government have choose this path

GhostofFrankGrimes · 09/08/2018 10:39

Yes, they have chosen this path. Partially, I suspect because there are still enough people who believe the lies and partially because Tory disaster capitalists will do very well out of Brexit. Party before country, always.

Helmetbymidnight · 09/08/2018 10:39

He didn’t think people would vote to make their lives worse.

Big mistake Grin

He didn’t realise how eager thick people are to blame foreigners for their problems.

Boris gets that though.