To think Boris Johnson should be be thrown out of Tory party?

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He is clearly racist. He should be thrown out of the Conservative party.

^^this too

Which is a reasonable point, no?

I don't see why because there is a reasonable accommodation of just giving them an opportunity to do so in the presence of only women.

How does it work at airport security then? Or any public place where you might need to prove your ID?

Free speech is dying in this country and it’s bloody sad.

Free speech isn't dying. I feel like everybody is going around saying exactly what they think these days, more than ever. Anyway, Boris Johnson used his right to free speech to give his opinion, and people are using their own right to free speech to criticise what he said. I think that's how it's supposed to work.

I don't think he should lose his job, but it's up to his party to decide if they are happy to keep someone who speaks like this. It's also up to them if they think that he should apologise in order to remain in the party. They need to think if this is how they want to be represented. The public also need to think about if they want to vote for a party that involves Boris.

**I should say that I don't think he should automatically lose his job. But, it's up to the party to discuss and people to decide if they want to vote for them. Just because we have freedom of expression, doesn't mean that there won't be consequences for us expressing our thoughts freely.

How does it work at airport security then? Or any public place where you might need to prove your ID?

Have a room for people wearing burkas to go with a female officer?

I mean it's not like it's most people, and they can keep processing the rest of the queue at the same time.

I often ask this question on threads about the niqab but have never recieved an answer. How do children recognise their mothers when being collected from school? Where I live you see lots of children walking to school holding hands with a person wearing a niqab. When they stand in the playground at the end of the school day, how do the children know which person is collecting them?

I don't think he's said anything wrong

I don't think he should lose his job, but it's up to his party to decide if they are happy to keep someone who speaks like this. It's also up to them if they think that he should apologise in order to remain in the party. They need to think if this is how they want to be represented. The public also need to think about if they want to vote for a party that involves Boris.

This. I don't entirely disagree with his point of view, but the way he expressed it was deliberately provocative, low-level dog whistle politics. Describing women as "bank robbers or letterboxes" is just not constructive or helpful in any way, and demonstrates neither respect for them as human beings or concern for their welfare.

Have a room for people wearing burkas to go with a female officer?

There are situations where this is just not going to be practical.

What if the woman is driving and she is pulled over by the police who ask to see her licence?

Like I said before, at the place where I worked the women just showed their face to security staff before entering. At first women were brought over from another part of the office but later they just started showing their faces to the male security guards. I have no idea if this is typical but these women were happy to compromise to suit our workplace.

He has only said what millions of people think, he will lose few votes. I fail to understand why anyone thinks wearing this primitive garb in the U.K. in 2018 is acceptable. Islam is not a race ..

I am conflicted with the burka.

I despise them and think they are ridiculous, mysogynistic and not in any way a religious requirement but banning them is another way of controlling women’s dress. I do think some women in this country wear them from choice but we have no way of knowing the percentage.

Of course in other countries women have no choice.

On balance I would prefer a ban on the full face covering in public to help integration for all of us.

Not that Boris cares one jot about Muslim
Women. This is all about Boris and ambition.

Does anyone watch Dave Allen, absolutely hilarious. He mocks Catholicism massively, and I am one, but he's so funny. Doesn't offend me. He died a few years ago but you can get him on youtube, hilarious. Certain aspects of different religions have always been mocked, and rightly so, but then i don't take every aspect of my religion too serious. i can see how other people find aspects of it a bit odd. I just laugh along with it, within reason.

Oh I loved Dave Allen. I wonder now was he really drinking whisky the whole show? Probably yes! he was bloody hilarious.

The niqab/burka are not actually Muslim attire for 99% of muslims and they are a cultural item of clothing seen among the wahabi community. Only Saudis and Afghans seem to wear them en masse.
Many other European countries and governments (France and Denmark come to mind) disagree strongly with wearing the burka, so it is ‘banned’ in public.
Boris is an idiot and inflammatory in his language.
At what point do you tolerate the intolerance of this piece of clothing?

At what point do you tolerate the intolerance of this piece of clothing?

How can a piece of clothing be "intolerant"?

I wonder if Dave Allen would be allowed on TV now?

It's not just a piece of clothing though, is it? It's a statement. And a statement can be intolerant, for sure.

I meant that the woman feels showing her face is not tolerated.

It's not just a piece of clothing though, is it? It's a statement. And a statement can be intolerant, for sure.

It might be a statement (maybe someone wears it to exclaim her superiority over non-muslims - although I doubt she'd put it in so many words - but that's not much different than other religious groups wearing things to "set them apart" from non-believers be they Amish or Jews and they seem to get accused in this way far less often) or it might be purely an act of conformity to a communal norm with no intent whatsoever behind it, or it could even be a way to get out of having to do makeup and hair on a daily basis (I have heard this reasoning from some women) or a genuine attempt at modesty. So considering the vast multitudes of motives that can be behind the decision to wear an item of clothing I don't think it can really be fairly compared to opening your mouth and saying "Christians and Jews are pigs and dogs" or whatever.

They're not interfering with anyone else by wearing it, even if they are mentally thinking it makes them better than others, so they are tolerating others.

So why don't Muslim men wear them?

I am just wondering how big and strong this privileged man feels when he picks on this group of women who are most vulnerable to attacks on the street

They're not interfering with anyone else by wearing it,

Who said this:

"When I was younger you didn’t see people in hijabs and niqabs... In London we got on. People dressed the same. What you see now are people born and raised here who are choosing to wear the jilbab or niqab. There is a question to be asked about what is going on in those homes. What’s insidious is if people are starting to think it is appropriate to treat women differently or that it has been forced on them. What worries me is children being forced to adopt a lifestyle. Should women be permitted to cover their faces in London? It’s not for me to tell women what to wear. But I do think that in public service we should be able to see each other’s faces. Eye contact matters. You should be able to see the face."

That would be Sadiq Khan.