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Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**

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HedgehogPoo · 06/08/2018 23:14

Am I being a wee bit over-sensitive? Please don't flame me too badly as I'm aware that it's not the worst thing in the world and probably no big deal to some people.

A few nights ago I went to see a certain celebrity at a show. OP and I really liked Celeb and I would listen in whenever I heard his voice on the radio. After the show, my other half and I bought two books and stood in line to ask him to sign them. Celeb seemed to be very approachable and chatted to everyone in the queue, signing their books and personalising them with coloured pens. My book choice was based purely on a word in the title that is relevant to me. The words forms part of my Twitter name and is also relevant as it is also the dressing-up outfit that I use when operating as an environmental activist (believe it or not) in a campaign group that I support. A woman worked her way down the queue and wrote down everyone's choice of dedication on a post-it note so that Celeb would be able to read our dedications easily.

He wrote something nice on DP's book, saying that we were 'Gentle protectors of XXX', who is our beloved cat.

When I handed him my book, he wrinkled his nose and repeated the two words on the post-it. He said that in the past, a woman had given him a signature request with very similar wording. He had asked her what those words meant to her and she said that it was a name that she had given herself, so he had told her that she would forget about the reason for those words at a later date and he wasn't going to write them.

He asked me why I had chosen those words and I explained about the environmental campaign. When he asked which campaign, I explained the serious environmental damage that was involved in this fight to protect an important wildlife area and he said that Trump was trying to do similar in the US, without any regard for the environment. So far, so good! The two words on my dedication request were completely inoffensive and uncontroversial in the extreme and would be viewed as positive words.

However, he said that when the previous woman had given him that similar request, he had decided to write a certain word on her dedication instead. He went on to explain that she had been really angry and walked away, refusing to take the book. I did feel uneasy at this point but didn't want to make anything of it so faked amusement and laughed awkwardly at what he was saying. The CF then said that he was going to write the same on my book in addition to my request and when I looked down, he was writing 'Whore' in stencil style, then filled it in in red pen, right in the centre of the page. I was stunned and felt really awful about it but tried to brave it out (fecking hell, are we socialised to be compliant and not make a fuss or what??!!), laugh it off and appear to be cool with it, despite not feeling like laughing at all.

On the way home my partner and I both felt flat and extremely let down by Celeb. My view is that he took complete advantage of his position and wrote an unpleasant and misogynistic word, purely because he could. Celeb is extremely clever and very obviously witty with much of his humour being taken from observations in life. I have no idea why he would have sharpened his claws on me. I am averagely ancient, do not look, talk or behave like an arse and am also not very confident (apart from when wearing my activist kit!), so I know that I couldn't possibly have come over as negative or unpleasant in any way towards him. Why would I, as I had enjoyed seeing the 'Evening with' and was in a great mood as was everyone else.

My partner is really disappointed in Celeb too and he thought that it was an offensive and completely unnecessary thing to do. Our evening was spoiled and I feel humiliated and thoroughly shat upon. Celeb is also quite lucky as if he had done this to many women I know, they would have chewed him up and spat out the remains. It's possible that I was being unreasonable though, as other people may not have been offended.

I now have a book that has been personalised with a word that I find very offensive, that is also really misogynistic and an insult to me and to women generally. A mooch around the internet found that Celeb claims he isn't a misogynist, he is a misanthrope as he hates everyone equally. My partner and I would dispute that!

I know that it would be better if I was annoyed but instead, I felt flat and more than a bit gutted, tbh. There's an old phrase about never meeting your heroes. I should have taken note!

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HedgehogPoo · 09/08/2018 11:18

riiiight you have it right! Flowers

Under no circumstances am I going to risk outing myself and I don't want the stress of worrying about it either, with apologies to everyone who thinks that I'm protecting the person who I do think is an arse but also get the possible aspect of the shared humour assumption. Not all of us can handle something like the potential for press interest or being outed and I'm not particularly assertive, even feeling wobbly and stressed when I've posted here. No-one knows my background and why I'm the way that I am and really don't want to justify my actions on here, sorry.

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derxa · 09/08/2018 12:06

Is it a reverse?! Is the OP really David Sedaris? That was my thought. It would be a jolly jape.

IDontEatFriedTurtle · 09/08/2018 12:09

Honestly despite all the posters here who claim to have no idea who he is, he's already quite famous in America and here too. He doesn't need to sneak in via not naming himsefl on a MN thread.

MinaPaws · 09/08/2018 13:49

@CircleofWillis - thank you for that explanation. I didn;t see it that way but get what you mean.

raviolidreaming · 09/08/2018 14:05

He doesn't need to sneak in vianot naming himseflon a MN thread

I was joking about it being a reverse. It is getting comical though that hedgehog still thinks his identity is being protected and she hasn't outed him 🙄🙄

HedgehogPoo · 09/08/2018 14:37

ravioli of course Hedgehog thinks that! It's not up to me to police the way that others are making suggestions. Grin

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EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 09/08/2018 17:11

I suggested he might be on here becuase the drama stepped up (not from the op)

I don’t he is though hopefully penning another excellent book

IDontEatFriedTurtle · 09/08/2018 19:14

I assume hedgehog is counting on the papers not picking up the story if it's all a bit of conjecture.

SunshineP · 09/08/2018 23:06

Having read all his books and listened to him a lot on the radio I’m amazed the OP can’t see he was joking. His stories are hilarious and quirky. His humour is dark and shocking at times. But there is also a lot of warmth and compassion. I’m just confused as to why as a fan she didn’t notice this in everything he writes. I mentioned previously an interview where he talks about this exact thing.
He spends all his spare time picking up rubbish from the side of the road in Sussex and all of his important relationships seem to be with women (apart from his partner) and he writes about women in a very positive way. He is what he is. Quirky and surprising. I expect he thought because she was a fan then she would ‘get’ his humour. She is an environmentalist owl fan who sounds warm and articulate.. this word seems a funny response to that. The very opposite to what she is.
His stories make me really laugh and I think it’s mostly because he sees things very differently to me.
I’m sorry he made he feel bad but I don’t think it was the intention.

Victoria889 · 10/08/2018 07:24

He sounds like an absolute disgrace he shouldn't have written whore in your book OP no matter how "hilarious" he THINKS he is.

extinctspecies · 10/08/2018 07:34

I think SunshineP is spot on and expresses it so much better than i was able to upthread.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 10/08/2018 07:47

I also agree with SunshineP

The drama on here from those who know nothing about him is laughable maybe it will make it into one of his books Grin certainly be amusing to many

0teaandtoast0 · 10/08/2018 08:06

I think the OP does her activism naked Grin

bsbabas · 10/08/2018 08:29

This is Chevy chase level of awkward. He should try something else like writing for the sun.

Mammalamb · 10/08/2018 08:41

I don’t know why I was thinking Stephen fry. It may just be that you said the celeb is “witty” and that’s the first person that came to mind. Can’t imagine it being Frankie Boyle. He’s a cheeky cunt as his persona but I understand that he’s a decent guy in real life

CircleofWillis · 10/08/2018 08:45

^ what SunshineP said with bells on.

(Although I hadn’t heard of the mouse incident and find the idea deeply disturbing).

Salazaar · 10/08/2018 09:33

deskgram.org/explore/tags/DavidSedarisSignedBook

There's an identical signed copy here.

Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**
IDontEatFriedTurtle · 10/08/2018 10:04

Stephen Fry has said some quite stupid tings about women, so that might be why you thought it.

I do agree with Sunshine over all but I understand why people who don't read him would think "misognystic twat". I probably would as well. I do think age , nationality, and sexual preferene in this case do give some context. I think the main issue was that the OP is a fan of one very specfic aspect of his career and had never actually read his books.

He writes about the way he and his sisters would play horrible practical jokes on his mother and how one day she got him back after his cat died by giving him a cheque for the the cremation labeled "For cat burning". Between him and his famous sister you can see a very warped sense of humour in their family.

HedgehogPoo · 10/08/2018 10:52

I understand completely that the person is being funny and their humour is quite dark at times. I've listened for years on the radio and really admired and enjoyed the content and style. My own sense of humour can be quite edgy and dark and I'm sure that I'm not everyone's cup of cocoa. However, I don't think that the inscription in my book was right at all. Repeated efforts in others' books do not make it right either. In my opinion, the writer is a misogynist hiding in plain sight and using humour style and status to disguise this. The more that I have read this thread, the more I believe this and no longer think that I was being overly sensitive. Others obviously don't agree, but that's what makes us all different Grin. Cheers Gin.

I don't do 'naked', too many wrinkles in the suit to iron out and I don't want to raise the heart attack rate. At least I wouldn't be giving anyone a stroke.

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Olinguito · 10/08/2018 10:58

I agree with SunshineP, who puts it really well. His sense of humour may not be for everyone, but I find his books very funny and he is well known for not using the usual platitudes in his book signings.

Whisky2014 · 10/08/2018 22:56

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