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Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**

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HedgehogPoo · 06/08/2018 23:14

Am I being a wee bit over-sensitive? Please don't flame me too badly as I'm aware that it's not the worst thing in the world and probably no big deal to some people.

A few nights ago I went to see a certain celebrity at a show. OP and I really liked Celeb and I would listen in whenever I heard his voice on the radio. After the show, my other half and I bought two books and stood in line to ask him to sign them. Celeb seemed to be very approachable and chatted to everyone in the queue, signing their books and personalising them with coloured pens. My book choice was based purely on a word in the title that is relevant to me. The words forms part of my Twitter name and is also relevant as it is also the dressing-up outfit that I use when operating as an environmental activist (believe it or not) in a campaign group that I support. A woman worked her way down the queue and wrote down everyone's choice of dedication on a post-it note so that Celeb would be able to read our dedications easily.

He wrote something nice on DP's book, saying that we were 'Gentle protectors of XXX', who is our beloved cat.

When I handed him my book, he wrinkled his nose and repeated the two words on the post-it. He said that in the past, a woman had given him a signature request with very similar wording. He had asked her what those words meant to her and she said that it was a name that she had given herself, so he had told her that she would forget about the reason for those words at a later date and he wasn't going to write them.

He asked me why I had chosen those words and I explained about the environmental campaign. When he asked which campaign, I explained the serious environmental damage that was involved in this fight to protect an important wildlife area and he said that Trump was trying to do similar in the US, without any regard for the environment. So far, so good! The two words on my dedication request were completely inoffensive and uncontroversial in the extreme and would be viewed as positive words.

However, he said that when the previous woman had given him that similar request, he had decided to write a certain word on her dedication instead. He went on to explain that she had been really angry and walked away, refusing to take the book. I did feel uneasy at this point but didn't want to make anything of it so faked amusement and laughed awkwardly at what he was saying. The CF then said that he was going to write the same on my book in addition to my request and when I looked down, he was writing 'Whore' in stencil style, then filled it in in red pen, right in the centre of the page. I was stunned and felt really awful about it but tried to brave it out (fecking hell, are we socialised to be compliant and not make a fuss or what??!!), laugh it off and appear to be cool with it, despite not feeling like laughing at all.

On the way home my partner and I both felt flat and extremely let down by Celeb. My view is that he took complete advantage of his position and wrote an unpleasant and misogynistic word, purely because he could. Celeb is extremely clever and very obviously witty with much of his humour being taken from observations in life. I have no idea why he would have sharpened his claws on me. I am averagely ancient, do not look, talk or behave like an arse and am also not very confident (apart from when wearing my activist kit!), so I know that I couldn't possibly have come over as negative or unpleasant in any way towards him. Why would I, as I had enjoyed seeing the 'Evening with' and was in a great mood as was everyone else.

My partner is really disappointed in Celeb too and he thought that it was an offensive and completely unnecessary thing to do. Our evening was spoiled and I feel humiliated and thoroughly shat upon. Celeb is also quite lucky as if he had done this to many women I know, they would have chewed him up and spat out the remains. It's possible that I was being unreasonable though, as other people may not have been offended.

I now have a book that has been personalised with a word that I find very offensive, that is also really misogynistic and an insult to me and to women generally. A mooch around the internet found that Celeb claims he isn't a misogynist, he is a misanthrope as he hates everyone equally. My partner and I would dispute that!

I know that it would be better if I was annoyed but instead, I felt flat and more than a bit gutted, tbh. There's an old phrase about never meeting your heroes. I should have taken note!

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HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 12:32

Sorry, no-one has any chance of finding out what the outfit is, as it's linked to my twitter name and that's what I am trying so very hard to protect. Wink

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MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 12:35

He isn't anything like Frankie Boyle etc in his work and prior to googling the shit out of his signings history, I would not have described him as edgy.

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 12:37

Rich Hall

Tom Cruise

as Otis

extinctspecies · 07/08/2018 12:39

Came back to the thread to post something similar to TwoBlueShoes as I have a lot of gay friends and "whore" is regularly used as banter for both sexes.

Also the word has changed it's meaning over time & isn't always gender specific - e.g. "media-whore".

And for what it's worth, I must be one of the few people who don't find the comedian in question funny. I always switch off the radio when his tedious monologues come on in that grating feminine voice of his.

For a genuinely misogynistic comedian, I give you Jimmy Carr.

HappyEverIftar · 07/08/2018 12:41

How utterly vile. And not funny.

MadMags · 07/08/2018 12:42

Gay or not, it’s very telling that this “close to the bone” humour of his is just deeply misogynistic nastiness.

You can be gay and hate women, as proven by the photos on this thread.

I find it disturbing and sad that so many women are defending him and the shite that’s been used as examples on here.

Does he really need to use whore, cunt, and quips about people’s mothers’ vaginas as cutting edge humour? I mean, really?

One example - the woman is a whore, the man is a warlock. That’s ok?

And again: Frankie fucking Boyle who makes rape jokes incessantly IS NOT A FEMINIST.

I despair of this thread. Not least because someone felt the need to point out this isn’t the feminist board. Talk about a ‘women know your place’ attitude.

This whole fucking thread stinks.

Angelil · 07/08/2018 12:44

Ugh, David Sedaris. I have never even found any of his books funny (having read some on the recommendations of others). I am also surprised by those dubbing him an 'intellectual' comedian. Bill Bailey and Dylan Moran, for example, are far cleverer and funnier (together or separately). Having gone to Oxford I would hope that if Sedaris was that intellectual a comedian I would be able to latch on to some of his 'humour' :p

OP, I would be as disgusted as you. Vote with your feet. Don't listen to his radio shows or buy his books anymore if that is how you feel.

MrStarkIDontFeelSoGood · 07/08/2018 12:46

Glad I read this thread - own several Sedaris books and have read more. Was very disappointed to miss him speak twice due to prior commitments.

If he had targeted me for this sort of thing, depending on what he said, I might be upset, as I didn't know he had form.So now I'm forewarned and I don't think I'll see him live as I'm not someone who enjoys unsolicited abuse from random strangers particularly if he enjoys being deliberately insensitive to be edgy, as there's things he could pick on.

Thanks for this thread OP, I know you haven't confirmed who it is, but others have all but done it for you.

FullMetalRabbit · 07/08/2018 12:48

We saw Rich Hall recently, he was fantastic.

memaymamo · 07/08/2018 13:11

If it's not David Sedaris then it's someone who stole his misanthrope quote!

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 07/08/2018 13:17

This reminds me of the sway the funny, popular kid can hold over classmates - and the way the kid who is the target of one of his/her jokes is often seen as 'humourless' and 'too easily offended' if they don't laugh along appreciatively, while the popular kid is regarded as 'good for a laugh' and 'not really meaning it'.

Hedgehog I found this article quite enlightening. It might help you to feel less alone.

queenmobs.com/2018/07/calypso-meeting-david-sedaris/

MadMags · 07/08/2018 13:17

I think everyone knows it was David Sedaris.

didofido · 07/08/2018 13:22

I am a radio 4 addict. It's on all day, and often at night. Radio in almost every room. But - David Sedaris's voice creeps me out, and I run for the Off switch.
I didn't know whether he was funny or not. Now I know he isn't.

BlueEyedPersephone · 07/08/2018 13:25

Just to be practical, I would mail his publicist and ask for a non-abusive copy of the book you paid good money for and a written apology.

DiegoMadonna · 07/08/2018 13:26

I've never heard of this guy but his sense of humour seems similar to some of the 12-year-old boys I've known.

ASliceOfArcticRoll · 07/08/2018 13:27

I'd go for a straight refund.

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 13:37

OutWithTheOutCrowd, yes, that's exactly my take on it too, or at least part of it. The article is also very reflective of my experience.

I do like the direction that this thread turned though, it's become something quite worthwhile!

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MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 13:45

here's the piece outwith's article refers to (it is also linked in the article)
www.pbs.org/newshour/show/david-sedaris-says-dont-confuse-mistakes-for-microaggressions

Not sure what I think about it - given that my ability to recognise faces is poor (any ethnicity) and I suspect he says Haven't we met before? to many of his fans as an icebreaker whether he actually remembers them or not.
The difference being that I would just say, no we haven't, as I seldom hear that question. If I was constantly being asked, at some point I am going to get snippy.
unherd.com/2018/04/come-misogynistic-frankie-boyle-suddenly-acceptable-now/
interesting article from April

JayneW63 · 07/08/2018 13:54

I once had to sit through a dreadful Xmas when MIL insisted on watching a Jethro video as she'd seen him on the Des O'Conner show, it was awful. Taught me a lesson, do some research first.

MeltingPregnantLady · 07/08/2018 14:00

Yy rich hall is lovely and hilarious to boot. Plus Moe from The Simpsons is based on him

IDontEatFriedTurtle · 07/08/2018 14:05

In the other article doesn't he also start out with the line "haven't we met"?

lisasimpsonssaxophone · 07/08/2018 14:51

This reminds me of the sway the funny, popular kid can hold over classmates - and the way the kid who is the target of one of his/her jokes is often seen as 'humourless' and 'too easily offended' if they don't laugh along appreciatively, while the popular kid is regarded as 'good for a laugh' and 'not really meaning it'.

This thread really struck a chord with me too. I used to be the only woman in an office full of men, most of whom were nice but there were a few arseholes who were extremely unpleasant. I could not believe the shit they got away with saying on a daily basis (swearing at colleagues, misogynist/racist/homophobic comments, even being rude to customers) because it was all dressed up as being ‘just how he is’ and ‘only a joke’.

They made it very hard to complain because everything was always pre-empted with comments about people being too sensitive or not ‘getting’ their humour. In reality it wasn’t humour at all, it was just sad miserable men being allowed to get away with saying whatever they wanted because people were afraid to be uncool if they called it out.

I did complain about it in my exit interview but I highly doubt anyone did anything about it. I wish I had grown a backbone sooner and spoken up, but I knew I’d just be laughed off as a hysterical woman if I did. It didn’t help that my manager at the time was a bit of a dorky kid himself and desperate to be one of the gang. He would go on about what great friends he was with one of the worst offenders (he wasn’t, he didn’t even know the guy’s wife was pregnant until I told him he had gone off on paternity leave!)

I’m going to be mindful of this in future and try to speak up when I think something is bullshit even if it makes me totally lame to do so.

ASliceOfArcticRoll · 07/08/2018 14:57

That's why I've ask for my money back. It's not about the money.

It's a quiet but stubborn way of refusing to be taken for a mug.

RomanyRoots · 07/08/2018 15:00

I've never heard of him but just looked at one of those story clips, meh, he's crap, his voice is irritating.
Must have got on the right side of BBC producers to be even considered.
talentless twat.

SecretWitch · 07/08/2018 15:08

I’m sorry this happened to you. I don’t know why but I got chills just looking at WHORE, all coloured in red. Who ever this person is, he does not like or respect women.