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Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**

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HedgehogPoo · 06/08/2018 23:14

Am I being a wee bit over-sensitive? Please don't flame me too badly as I'm aware that it's not the worst thing in the world and probably no big deal to some people.

A few nights ago I went to see a certain celebrity at a show. OP and I really liked Celeb and I would listen in whenever I heard his voice on the radio. After the show, my other half and I bought two books and stood in line to ask him to sign them. Celeb seemed to be very approachable and chatted to everyone in the queue, signing their books and personalising them with coloured pens. My book choice was based purely on a word in the title that is relevant to me. The words forms part of my Twitter name and is also relevant as it is also the dressing-up outfit that I use when operating as an environmental activist (believe it or not) in a campaign group that I support. A woman worked her way down the queue and wrote down everyone's choice of dedication on a post-it note so that Celeb would be able to read our dedications easily.

He wrote something nice on DP's book, saying that we were 'Gentle protectors of XXX', who is our beloved cat.

When I handed him my book, he wrinkled his nose and repeated the two words on the post-it. He said that in the past, a woman had given him a signature request with very similar wording. He had asked her what those words meant to her and she said that it was a name that she had given herself, so he had told her that she would forget about the reason for those words at a later date and he wasn't going to write them.

He asked me why I had chosen those words and I explained about the environmental campaign. When he asked which campaign, I explained the serious environmental damage that was involved in this fight to protect an important wildlife area and he said that Trump was trying to do similar in the US, without any regard for the environment. So far, so good! The two words on my dedication request were completely inoffensive and uncontroversial in the extreme and would be viewed as positive words.

However, he said that when the previous woman had given him that similar request, he had decided to write a certain word on her dedication instead. He went on to explain that she had been really angry and walked away, refusing to take the book. I did feel uneasy at this point but didn't want to make anything of it so faked amusement and laughed awkwardly at what he was saying. The CF then said that he was going to write the same on my book in addition to my request and when I looked down, he was writing 'Whore' in stencil style, then filled it in in red pen, right in the centre of the page. I was stunned and felt really awful about it but tried to brave it out (fecking hell, are we socialised to be compliant and not make a fuss or what??!!), laugh it off and appear to be cool with it, despite not feeling like laughing at all.

On the way home my partner and I both felt flat and extremely let down by Celeb. My view is that he took complete advantage of his position and wrote an unpleasant and misogynistic word, purely because he could. Celeb is extremely clever and very obviously witty with much of his humour being taken from observations in life. I have no idea why he would have sharpened his claws on me. I am averagely ancient, do not look, talk or behave like an arse and am also not very confident (apart from when wearing my activist kit!), so I know that I couldn't possibly have come over as negative or unpleasant in any way towards him. Why would I, as I had enjoyed seeing the 'Evening with' and was in a great mood as was everyone else.

My partner is really disappointed in Celeb too and he thought that it was an offensive and completely unnecessary thing to do. Our evening was spoiled and I feel humiliated and thoroughly shat upon. Celeb is also quite lucky as if he had done this to many women I know, they would have chewed him up and spat out the remains. It's possible that I was being unreasonable though, as other people may not have been offended.

I now have a book that has been personalised with a word that I find very offensive, that is also really misogynistic and an insult to me and to women generally. A mooch around the internet found that Celeb claims he isn't a misogynist, he is a misanthrope as he hates everyone equally. My partner and I would dispute that!

I know that it would be better if I was annoyed but instead, I felt flat and more than a bit gutted, tbh. There's an old phrase about never meeting your heroes. I should have taken note!

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raviolidreaming · 07/08/2018 22:57

I am beginning to wonder if DS is on here himself

Is it a reverse?! Is the OP really David Sedaris?! 🤔🧐😂

MazDazzle · 07/08/2018 22:58

Yes Twist it certainly seems like it is!

Can someone please tell me that the OP wanted written in her book? I haven’t read the whole thread, but I’ve read most of it and I’m nonethewiser!

I

MazDazzle · 07/08/2018 22:59

what the OP wanted written in her book.

MrStarkIDontFeelSoGood · 07/08/2018 23:03

Something to do with her work with animals which he did and then added WHORE

MazDazzle · 07/08/2018 23:05

Thank you MrStark!

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 23:07

Has only been me mentioning Scott and I have not seen him for years so potentially am misremembering how caustic he could be. I had his book Fowl Play - now that was dark - and it was a signed copy. Cannot remember being offended so I think it was just a normal autograph Grin but he was doing controversial/edgy material at the time (holocaust schmolocaust) so it would not have been a shock if he were to shock.
But that was...gulp...two decades ago. I would guess his material/delivery has changed in that time!! unlike richard morton
Hell, I am old Wine
On that note I need to stop procrastinating and do some actual work.
Interesting thread OP.

RosyPrimroseface · 07/08/2018 23:10

I've always felt from his writing that he's a lost child who wasn't looked after properly - now grown into a man who is clever, cultured and witty but with a core of rather psychopathic uncaring about everyone.

And the whole 'waspish' humour style makes me tired. It just means you can be discriminatory about women and people from other cultures and backgrounds and sound all liberal and cool about it just because you're a gay bloke saying it.

liz70 · 07/08/2018 23:11

So was it this Sedaris bloke? Neverreardofim. Confused

I didn't think it would be Fry. I know he talks out of his arse sometimes, but I had some correspondence with him years ago, and he was always polite, sweet and humble.

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 23:18

Dolly, no, I'd just spelled Heroes incorrectly as I was half asleep at the time so I asked for a correction. The mods were also keeping a lookout on the thread in case of any apparent press interest as I'd requested that they pull the thread if that happened. Tbh, I wouldn't mind so much now as the thread took on a life of it's own and became a lot more interesting as a feminist discussion and an analysis of the misogyny and contempt that we accept, because celebs etc are special people and we excuse their behaviour.

Ravioli I'm definitely not any of the names that have been suggested here and I'm not even male. Mn would be able to confirm this from my many years of membership and quite a few posts throughout those years.

Maz, I asked for my twitter name and activist outfit (more or less one and the same description) that was linked to wording in the book title that I'd selected. Celeb did write that but also added The Word in large red letters in the centre of the page. It was his freebie extra! The photo was cropped tightly to prevent anyone from seeing additional wording on the page, that would enable identification of the title / my activist suit / my twitter name (which would case me a lot of problems if this was revealed).

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Dollyrama · 07/08/2018 23:19

ravioli that would be funny wouldn’t it, if the OP was DS!! The original thread title btw was v similar to the title of a blog post written about him.

Dollyrama · 07/08/2018 23:26

Oops sorry OP x posts.

I love that you have an activism suit. Genuinely. I think more activists should have suits.

Whisky2014 · 07/08/2018 23:27

I just googled him. He looks like a creep, as expected.

liz70 · 07/08/2018 23:29

Just image search "David Sedaris book signing." Nuff said.

MazDazzle · 07/08/2018 23:33

Hedgehog you come across as being a genuinely lovely person. I can’t believe he did this to you. I vote you don your activist suit and turn up to his next event to protest! Th Munster massive will join you. Grin

MazDazzle · 07/08/2018 23:34

Ha! Clearly I meant the Mumsnet massive. Bloody autocorrect.

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 23:36

Smile Dolly I love my suit! It's been worn lots of times and is really effective in my activist activities (is that an acceptable phrase?!). It's also really fun too and I've found that I am less inhibited than usual when wearing it. I'm also a fancy dress freak though, so would get dressed up in a curtain if one was lying around
Re the post title, it was not taken from anything else other than the last few words of my post and as I was in a hurry to submit it last night, just copied it. The wording seemed as good an option as anything else.

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Dollyrama · 07/08/2018 23:43

Activist activities is definitely an acceptable phrase!

Love the phrase Munster Massive too, lol.

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 23:47

Thanks Maz but I'm absolutely not lovely and my DP thinks that I'm a nutjob Grin .
I definitely prefer your suggestion of Munster Massive to Mumsnet Massive though, especially as it would present yet another opportunity to get togged up in whacky gear. Fab idea! Can you just imagine us all trotting along, dressed as Herman, Lily or the children? I'd like to be the bat please.

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MazDazzle · 07/08/2018 23:53

I do love a fancy dress opportunity! Don’t think I could pull of Lily, but Herman... maybe.

selavy · 08/08/2018 00:08

Stop saying Celeb! Who fucking says that anyway?
I realise I’m totally missing the point of the thread, but still, what a stupid word!

LouBlue1507 · 08/08/2018 00:18

Someone lives fishing 🎣

LouBlue1507 · 08/08/2018 00:19

Someone loves fishing 🎣

Whisky2014 · 08/08/2018 07:42

I dont get why you want to protect a sexist twat

HedgehogPoo · 08/08/2018 08:10

Sorry that it irritates selavy, I just used it as a play on words (like Caleb) but also as a bit of a sarky description that to me, summed up the attitude of the person who I paid to see but found a crock of crap at the end of the night. I needed something as a replacement name and that seemed to bit the bill.
Whisky - it's a combo of selfish reasons (I am trying very hard not to be outed and don't want to risk attracting the ire of the individual concerned which could result in my name and twitter account being linked) and my own hang-ups (I would feel so guilty, especially due to potential n press interest, which has been mentioned elsewhere). I really don't want to damage anyone, despite it being very well deserved and even more so after I've read some of the PPs' comments on this thread. Some stuff I can handle, guilt isn't one of them.

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CircleofWillis · 08/08/2018 08:20

I don’t want to excuse what the celeb did. I would have been disappointed if he had written something similar in my book. But just as balance...
He was incredibly sweet to my mother and myself at the event we recently attended. We are both black and overweight my mother is frail and elderly and I am frumpy and middle aged. Not putting ourselves down -we are both also pretty wonderful and interesting but lots of people wouldn’t have bothered taking the time to find that out.

He charmed the socks off my mother and accepted her scolding over his absolutely filthy jokes with good humour.
He asked us lots of questions and was able to appear genuinely interested in us and our answers. This was after an hour of signing books prior to the show, two hours plus of performing, and a good 2-3 hours of signing to come.

He is not a saint but he is also not the font of all evil currently being suggested in this thread.

In the context of his show (creative swearing in other countries, pornography etc) and from your discussion OP it doesn’t appear to me that he was was trying to insult you. I think he thought you would appreciate the joke and perhaps thought as an activist you would be a bit ‘edgy’. I think that he really misjudged the situation. But although he is perfectly capable of ‘punishing’ people he disapproves of with an offensive dedication, I don’t think that was the case here. He might even have been intending a weird compliment...
Having said all that I would have been upset too - not enough to start a thread on it but upset nonetheless.