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Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**

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HedgehogPoo · 06/08/2018 23:14

Am I being a wee bit over-sensitive? Please don't flame me too badly as I'm aware that it's not the worst thing in the world and probably no big deal to some people.

A few nights ago I went to see a certain celebrity at a show. OP and I really liked Celeb and I would listen in whenever I heard his voice on the radio. After the show, my other half and I bought two books and stood in line to ask him to sign them. Celeb seemed to be very approachable and chatted to everyone in the queue, signing their books and personalising them with coloured pens. My book choice was based purely on a word in the title that is relevant to me. The words forms part of my Twitter name and is also relevant as it is also the dressing-up outfit that I use when operating as an environmental activist (believe it or not) in a campaign group that I support. A woman worked her way down the queue and wrote down everyone's choice of dedication on a post-it note so that Celeb would be able to read our dedications easily.

He wrote something nice on DP's book, saying that we were 'Gentle protectors of XXX', who is our beloved cat.

When I handed him my book, he wrinkled his nose and repeated the two words on the post-it. He said that in the past, a woman had given him a signature request with very similar wording. He had asked her what those words meant to her and she said that it was a name that she had given herself, so he had told her that she would forget about the reason for those words at a later date and he wasn't going to write them.

He asked me why I had chosen those words and I explained about the environmental campaign. When he asked which campaign, I explained the serious environmental damage that was involved in this fight to protect an important wildlife area and he said that Trump was trying to do similar in the US, without any regard for the environment. So far, so good! The two words on my dedication request were completely inoffensive and uncontroversial in the extreme and would be viewed as positive words.

However, he said that when the previous woman had given him that similar request, he had decided to write a certain word on her dedication instead. He went on to explain that she had been really angry and walked away, refusing to take the book. I did feel uneasy at this point but didn't want to make anything of it so faked amusement and laughed awkwardly at what he was saying. The CF then said that he was going to write the same on my book in addition to my request and when I looked down, he was writing 'Whore' in stencil style, then filled it in in red pen, right in the centre of the page. I was stunned and felt really awful about it but tried to brave it out (fecking hell, are we socialised to be compliant and not make a fuss or what??!!), laugh it off and appear to be cool with it, despite not feeling like laughing at all.

On the way home my partner and I both felt flat and extremely let down by Celeb. My view is that he took complete advantage of his position and wrote an unpleasant and misogynistic word, purely because he could. Celeb is extremely clever and very obviously witty with much of his humour being taken from observations in life. I have no idea why he would have sharpened his claws on me. I am averagely ancient, do not look, talk or behave like an arse and am also not very confident (apart from when wearing my activist kit!), so I know that I couldn't possibly have come over as negative or unpleasant in any way towards him. Why would I, as I had enjoyed seeing the 'Evening with' and was in a great mood as was everyone else.

My partner is really disappointed in Celeb too and he thought that it was an offensive and completely unnecessary thing to do. Our evening was spoiled and I feel humiliated and thoroughly shat upon. Celeb is also quite lucky as if he had done this to many women I know, they would have chewed him up and spat out the remains. It's possible that I was being unreasonable though, as other people may not have been offended.

I now have a book that has been personalised with a word that I find very offensive, that is also really misogynistic and an insult to me and to women generally. A mooch around the internet found that Celeb claims he isn't a misogynist, he is a misanthrope as he hates everyone equally. My partner and I would dispute that!

I know that it would be better if I was annoyed but instead, I felt flat and more than a bit gutted, tbh. There's an old phrase about never meeting your heroes. I should have taken note!

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MoonriseKingdom · 07/08/2018 17:31

Juells - I agree. What she suggested would not have been very David Sedaris! I do think it meant writing consumes you. But risky as it might be very upsetting to someone with a recent diagnosis/ family member diagnosed.

I am yet another person who can confirm the charm and loveliness of Rich Hall!

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 18:26

Nah, I have defended him/given counterpoints several times on this thread but the cancer comment was likely to be literal rather than metaphorical based on other inscriptions made including describing someone as a 'cancer whore'. It's just really shock factor stuff he reserves for people who tell him what to write so don't ask for post its in advance then

WatermelonGlitter · 07/08/2018 18:50

People are taking this far too seriously.

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 18:57

Oh I freely admit to being far far too invested. But it's been fascinating to compare personas. And to consider how much of his nonfiction is exaggerated for comic effect/satire or for shock value (not like the inscriptions but admitting to thinking things/judging etc that others might not admit to thinking/saying what others might censor).
Behind the witty observations/acid tongue though - and those who say talentless without having read his work fully should read it before making sweeping statements - the family dynamic is a lot more fucked up than I realised.

Dollyrama · 07/08/2018 19:06

This is both an irritating and v fascinating thread. OP really, you didn’t have to milk the I’m not naming him part quite so much when you’ve made it obvious in your responses who it is. You let other people be wrongly named repeatedly and unless people read through most of the thread, they may still think it’s one of them.

Why didn’t your DP speak up as the word was being written?

OTOH I’ve lovedpeople’s posts here. Really interesting discussion. Not so loving the stories about DS. Am ashamed to be a fellow countrywoman of his.

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 19:11

I am sure Mr Tumble is very upset Wink...that was my favourite guess by a country mile Grin

Dollyrama · 07/08/2018 19:34

lol Mozzie. Mine was Nicholas Parsons. So funny. The quintessential English gentleman!

chicola · 07/08/2018 19:55

This is horrible. And we all know who it is anyway.

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 20:55

Dolly DP didn't know what had been written until after the dirty deed was done. He's just the same as I am unfortunately and finds it hard to speak out in circumstances like those (although can somehow become very pro-active if he sees injustice elsewhere, as I do too).
The post was written a while ago and submitted to Mn for comment and advice. As I'd calmed down by the time it was posted, I no longer felt quite as hostile towards Celeb. I was responding on a different thread and somehow or other, managed to commit myself to posting this one last night. I managed a quick redact and posted it. I hadn't expected quite as much intrigue about the individual concerned as the whole point was whether or not Celeb was being offensive and misogynistic, rather than whoever that person was. I'm still happy that I haven't named Celeb and tbh, some of the suggestions made have added quite a lot of humour to this thread. As with other threads, themes and content change and develop throughout. I wasn't aware that I had broken any rules or offended anyone, but if I have done so, I apologise. I had a hard enough time trying to convince posters that I wasn't trolling, but at least some aspects of that could have been proven by Mn mods. The only reason why I kept repeating my reason for not naming Celeb was that posters hadn't managed to rtft and kept asking for Celeb's name.
From the overwhelming majority of the PPs, it seems that I'm not alone in being offended by the word that was written on my book and most of them agree that it was misogynistic. At least I've been reassured that it was a regular occurrence and there was no insult intended specifically towards me, but it's still pretty much an insult to women generally. It's just extremely sad that we are so used to this type of thing that it has become an accepted part of life and we excuse celebs in particular for this sexist behaviour.
I think that I would feel more confident now after posting this, to call a halt and say something in similar circumstances so that's a major plus for me. From some other comments, I suspect that there are a few other people who will do the same as we have been inspired by some of the more powerful and inciteful women on here. Thank you to those women Flowers!

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daisychain01 · 07/08/2018 21:05

It would have come across as dickish to have got all pearl-clutch by called DS out on his use of the word Whore. It's his style. He's not my type of humour live, but he is who he is. Some of his anecdotes that he used for his live show (I saw him in Cardiff) were not for the faint hearted and definitely not in keeping for UK audiences at large. We may like some risqué humour, but his is very American. ime US humour is really weird, either extremely straight-laced and puritanical at one end of the spectrum, or really shocking and indecent at the other.

I felt very disappointed, having received the Squirrel Chipmunk book as a birthday present from my DBro, The book is a series of clever 'observational humour' essays, nothing like the stuff he comes out with on stage.

To say his live show shattered my illusion of him is a massive understatement. But it's like asking a scorpion not to sting, it's in his nature to be cutting and outrageous. He wants to disgust, and succeeds on a regular basis.

daisychain01 · 07/08/2018 21:10

And it certainly doesn't detract from the fact you have every reason to feel sullied and insulted by the word he used. It must have been awful but I bet it would have played into his hands if you'd expressed offence, it would have been like red rag to a bull lol Grin

Writersblock2 · 07/08/2018 21:12

Never heard of him and now I certainly won’t be buying his rubbish.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 07/08/2018 21:25

Op I am glad you are mot feeling so bad

But I am beginning to wonder if DS is on here himself

An abuser/likes to hide behind the act of a clown like Savile/obviously hates women

Hmm

And yes to whoever called me a groupie I am at last I can speak the truth yes his poor wife Hugh knows about the many of us out there 40 something women groupies but being married to the misogynistic bullying pig so many know him to be it’s hardly a surprise

Larry David is hilarious and insults everyone nothing is off bounds

Jayfee · 07/08/2018 21:43

Blimey he'd love the publicity. I hope he is good at what he does since many of us had never heard of him before but now he has his name on Mumsnet. It is obviously David Sedaris ( whoever he is!)

PerfectlySymmetricalButtocks · 07/08/2018 22:09

Mozzie I was referring to the one about the "mother's pussy".

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 22:16

Grin Enthusiasm, I'd never thought of the possibility that anyone named as a suggestion on here might be following the thread! It could make sense though and may do a bit of good although probably not

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MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 22:28

See daisy enthusiastic That's just it - I am clearly obtuse as I did not know that was his style.
Jim Jeffries, Doug Stanhope, Scott Capuro yes.
But that nice gay man I've heard on radio 4 and listened to on youtube?
No idea! Guess that makes me a crap fan or very naive.
Similarly I had translated the possibly made up family anecdotes of one upmanship banter and practical jokes as highly functioning dysfunction/close-knit family when the Mum was actually an alcoholic, the Dad and others enabling/playing their roles and his sister - the one who went NC and killed herself - being chucked into a borstal-type boarding school against her will.
It makes me wonder how any of them are okay. Confused
I now have DH asking whether he's buying me Calypso. Enter the art vs person argument. Have I boycotted Kevin Spacey - no, I saw Baby Driver the other day. Polanski/Allen I don't watch anyway.
But I like David Sedaris. He does not read about himself/reviews etc so he says narcissists would though Wink
Wish he was on thread to clarify although he said on an AMA that as a gay man complimenting breasts was not sexual ergo not offensive, unlike say commenting on a bloke's arse which reddit women pulled him up on.

Twistella · 07/08/2018 22:33

I've only heard David sedaris waffling on on r4. I thought he was like a gay Bill bryson

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 07/08/2018 22:38

Well it’s a possibility that someone could have upped the drama on here 🤓

I think when you read/listen to DS though many of the family antidotes are very funny they are often quite sad in parts. He has said he had a happy childhood he felt loved but it wasn’t perfect but that’s all they knew and they were close

There is one story it’s snowing outside she chucks them out as they are annoying her and then comes looking for them but they end up caring for her (she loses her shoes) there is something very sad about it and it quite obvious she struggled and had a drink problem

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 07/08/2018 22:42

I would still list Chinatown as one of my favourite films it’s brilliant Polanski is a great director - horrible person

Never really liked Allen

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 22:43

Mother's Pussy? Ah, the Bill guy? Yes, that was indeed yuk.
But the Bill guy lapped it up and asked for/got insulted 5x. Including comments about his glasses and a spunk-piss shirt. The mind boggles.
insultedbyauthors.com/david-sedaris-should-write-a-book-about-my-mom-mexicans/
I feel old.
And I'm not a pearl-clutcher honest...I like black humour/gallows humour and previously would deem myself not particularly shockable/easily offended. Maybe seeing Nanette/Hannah Gadsby has ruined all further stand-up for me! Smile
I just cannot see Mr Sedaris in the same light now. Just thinking: Ah, not you too.

Dollyrama · 07/08/2018 22:47

OP- I completely agree that what he wrote was out of line.

I guess when you sent the post to MN for moderation you didn’t include the thread title, since they later amended this one?

I’m really surprised at people saying this sort of thing is Scott Capurro’s style. I’ve seen him perform several times, although ages ago, and loved him. Cutting yes, but not to the audience so much. I’m hoping he hasn’t changed for the worse.

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 22:54

But I could be overreacting as I fucking hate birthdays Wink
Drama Llama/Diva Patrol can be my next name changes.
I had not picked up on the mum's drinking just she had a warped sense of humour (like getting her son to pretend to attack her so the dog would go for him each time). So now, bad feminist that I am, I do feel for the guy and if he was on here would direct him to the Stately homes thread tout de suite.
Is Bill Bryon's Thunderbolt Kid good? Or Running with scissors?

MazDazzle · 07/08/2018 22:56

Using offensive language on stage as part of an act, for all the world to judge, is completely different to writing the word ‘Whore’ in a one on one exchange. The brass neck! How did he think you’d react?

Twistella · 07/08/2018 22:56

Can someone please just say who the celeb is in the OP? I've read the thread and still don't know!!! Is it ds?