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Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**

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HedgehogPoo · 06/08/2018 23:14

Am I being a wee bit over-sensitive? Please don't flame me too badly as I'm aware that it's not the worst thing in the world and probably no big deal to some people.

A few nights ago I went to see a certain celebrity at a show. OP and I really liked Celeb and I would listen in whenever I heard his voice on the radio. After the show, my other half and I bought two books and stood in line to ask him to sign them. Celeb seemed to be very approachable and chatted to everyone in the queue, signing their books and personalising them with coloured pens. My book choice was based purely on a word in the title that is relevant to me. The words forms part of my Twitter name and is also relevant as it is also the dressing-up outfit that I use when operating as an environmental activist (believe it or not) in a campaign group that I support. A woman worked her way down the queue and wrote down everyone's choice of dedication on a post-it note so that Celeb would be able to read our dedications easily.

He wrote something nice on DP's book, saying that we were 'Gentle protectors of XXX', who is our beloved cat.

When I handed him my book, he wrinkled his nose and repeated the two words on the post-it. He said that in the past, a woman had given him a signature request with very similar wording. He had asked her what those words meant to her and she said that it was a name that she had given herself, so he had told her that she would forget about the reason for those words at a later date and he wasn't going to write them.

He asked me why I had chosen those words and I explained about the environmental campaign. When he asked which campaign, I explained the serious environmental damage that was involved in this fight to protect an important wildlife area and he said that Trump was trying to do similar in the US, without any regard for the environment. So far, so good! The two words on my dedication request were completely inoffensive and uncontroversial in the extreme and would be viewed as positive words.

However, he said that when the previous woman had given him that similar request, he had decided to write a certain word on her dedication instead. He went on to explain that she had been really angry and walked away, refusing to take the book. I did feel uneasy at this point but didn't want to make anything of it so faked amusement and laughed awkwardly at what he was saying. The CF then said that he was going to write the same on my book in addition to my request and when I looked down, he was writing 'Whore' in stencil style, then filled it in in red pen, right in the centre of the page. I was stunned and felt really awful about it but tried to brave it out (fecking hell, are we socialised to be compliant and not make a fuss or what??!!), laugh it off and appear to be cool with it, despite not feeling like laughing at all.

On the way home my partner and I both felt flat and extremely let down by Celeb. My view is that he took complete advantage of his position and wrote an unpleasant and misogynistic word, purely because he could. Celeb is extremely clever and very obviously witty with much of his humour being taken from observations in life. I have no idea why he would have sharpened his claws on me. I am averagely ancient, do not look, talk or behave like an arse and am also not very confident (apart from when wearing my activist kit!), so I know that I couldn't possibly have come over as negative or unpleasant in any way towards him. Why would I, as I had enjoyed seeing the 'Evening with' and was in a great mood as was everyone else.

My partner is really disappointed in Celeb too and he thought that it was an offensive and completely unnecessary thing to do. Our evening was spoiled and I feel humiliated and thoroughly shat upon. Celeb is also quite lucky as if he had done this to many women I know, they would have chewed him up and spat out the remains. It's possible that I was being unreasonable though, as other people may not have been offended.

I now have a book that has been personalised with a word that I find very offensive, that is also really misogynistic and an insult to me and to women generally. A mooch around the internet found that Celeb claims he isn't a misogynist, he is a misanthrope as he hates everyone equally. My partner and I would dispute that!

I know that it would be better if I was annoyed but instead, I felt flat and more than a bit gutted, tbh. There's an old phrase about never meeting your heroes. I should have taken note!

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senua · 07/08/2018 15:08

I sympathise with OP. I have heard DS on the radio and he is usually amusing although he does sometimes cause a sharp intake of breath. Reading this, it does sound as if he is playing a dangerous game of seeing how far he can push it before he gets caught out.
We have all been lulled into a "that's how he is" complicity.

QueenOfIce · 07/08/2018 15:12

I don't think context matters it's never ok to write or call anyone a whore. It's disgusting behaviour and isn't it about time men like this were held accountable? Some of the replies of 'oh I love him, he can do no wrong' well yes, yes he can and he did.

SadieHH · 07/08/2018 15:18

Who the hell thinks this kind of 'humour' is funny? He sounds like an insufferable wanker.

IDontEatFriedTurtle · 07/08/2018 15:18

I think he's of an era where it would be gay men and women calling everyone whore and slut in a tongue in cheek way and straight women calling him fag and themselves faghag etc. I don't know if this was a thing in the UK during the 80/90s but was definitely in the states. The straight women weren't being homophobic either.

It seemed a bit more raunchy etc then now and now it just seems unPC and a bit behind the times. I do think context does matter. That's not to say gay men aren't capable of misogyny but sometimes if you look at the whole picture you can see someone simply missed the mark. I've never read any misogyny in to his books and considering what he it was like to grow up a gay man where he is from I think he is probably a bit over "microaggressions" because he was dealing with real life aggression agressions.

RoseWhiteTips · 07/08/2018 15:19

His voice is very irritating as are some of his embroidered shirts. He reminds of a fat version of Larry David.

RoseWhiteTips · 07/08/2018 15:19

...me

RoseWhiteTips · 07/08/2018 15:22

Larry is not entirely happy....

i.imgur.com/GgqTg8C.gif

RoseWhiteTips · 07/08/2018 15:23

I resent gay men calling women such things, btw. How would they like it if I started calling them all sorts? Hmm?😡

RoseWhiteTips · 07/08/2018 15:24

I second “insufferable wanker”.

RoseWhiteTips · 07/08/2018 15:25

Larry David is funny. This other bozo not so much.

picklemepopcorn · 07/08/2018 15:55

What possible connection could there be between the two words of your name and the one he chose?

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 16:02

None at all Pickle. He just wrote the same word in my book that he'd used in another woman's book as she requested a similar dedication. The wording is about as unlinked as it is possible to be. Ahh well!

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Juells · 07/08/2018 16:04

@MoonriseKingdom

www.shoezle.com/2015/05/26/meeting-my-idol-david-sedaris/

This suggests he doesn’t like people telling him what to write.

In fairness - although she didn't deserve anything as nasty as he wrote - the message she requested was CF-erish. Did she really expect someone who didn't know her to write "Francie, I am so happy I inspired you to write" ?

PerfectlySymmetricalButtocks · 07/08/2018 16:06

Nicholas Parsons 😂

MrStarkIDontFeelSoGood · 07/08/2018 16:19

That Shoezle article is quite odd in the end it reads like the author still feels privileged to have been shittily treated, and wishing cancer upon her? Less dark humour, more nasty bastard

RoseWhiteTips · 07/08/2018 16:25

He sounds like a nasty piece of work.
< shudder >

NoCanoe · 07/08/2018 16:25

I rather liked the Eamon Holmes suggestion!
Have to say I found that very funny.

NoCanoe · 07/08/2018 16:34

Ive just read the article posted by Juells. I think he meant that writing consumes you?

But crass and unfunny. Totally unfunny.
I'll laugh at most things. But i am struggling with this.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 07/08/2018 17:13

"Straight guy calling a woman “whore” feels very different from a gay guy calling a woman “whore”."

I have a gay friend who has playfully called me a "slapper" - I was fine with that. Had he called me a "whore" I wouldn't have been happy at all - totally different "vibe" from the word.

AnonymousIndividual · 07/08/2018 17:16

I would never call anyone a disparaging name for laughs, irrespective of race, ability, sexual orientation or religion.

I guess I'm just not funny or clever Hmm.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 07/08/2018 17:17

Agree re: Rich Hall - v v v nice bloke.

IDontEatFriedTurtle · 07/08/2018 17:19

I have a gay friend who has playfully called me a "slapper" - I was fine with that. Had he called me a "whore" I wouldn't have been happy at all - totally different "vibe" from the word

Again, he is American, and probably would never use the word slapper. Whore, hooker etc used back home though in similar conversation.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 07/08/2018 17:23

"Whore" is derogatory and disrespectful in any language.

IDontEatFriedTurtle · 07/08/2018 17:25

So is "fag hag" but I regularly heard it being used by straight women towards their gay male friends.

I do not believe that DS was genuinely trying to slut shame the OP. being a gay man I suspect he has no opinion at all on how many men a woman should have sex with.

IDontEatFriedTurtle · 07/08/2018 17:25

Sorry while talking to gay men. not at them. But would yes call gay men fags etc.