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Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**

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HedgehogPoo · 06/08/2018 23:14

Am I being a wee bit over-sensitive? Please don't flame me too badly as I'm aware that it's not the worst thing in the world and probably no big deal to some people.

A few nights ago I went to see a certain celebrity at a show. OP and I really liked Celeb and I would listen in whenever I heard his voice on the radio. After the show, my other half and I bought two books and stood in line to ask him to sign them. Celeb seemed to be very approachable and chatted to everyone in the queue, signing their books and personalising them with coloured pens. My book choice was based purely on a word in the title that is relevant to me. The words forms part of my Twitter name and is also relevant as it is also the dressing-up outfit that I use when operating as an environmental activist (believe it or not) in a campaign group that I support. A woman worked her way down the queue and wrote down everyone's choice of dedication on a post-it note so that Celeb would be able to read our dedications easily.

He wrote something nice on DP's book, saying that we were 'Gentle protectors of XXX', who is our beloved cat.

When I handed him my book, he wrinkled his nose and repeated the two words on the post-it. He said that in the past, a woman had given him a signature request with very similar wording. He had asked her what those words meant to her and she said that it was a name that she had given herself, so he had told her that she would forget about the reason for those words at a later date and he wasn't going to write them.

He asked me why I had chosen those words and I explained about the environmental campaign. When he asked which campaign, I explained the serious environmental damage that was involved in this fight to protect an important wildlife area and he said that Trump was trying to do similar in the US, without any regard for the environment. So far, so good! The two words on my dedication request were completely inoffensive and uncontroversial in the extreme and would be viewed as positive words.

However, he said that when the previous woman had given him that similar request, he had decided to write a certain word on her dedication instead. He went on to explain that she had been really angry and walked away, refusing to take the book. I did feel uneasy at this point but didn't want to make anything of it so faked amusement and laughed awkwardly at what he was saying. The CF then said that he was going to write the same on my book in addition to my request and when I looked down, he was writing 'Whore' in stencil style, then filled it in in red pen, right in the centre of the page. I was stunned and felt really awful about it but tried to brave it out (fecking hell, are we socialised to be compliant and not make a fuss or what??!!), laugh it off and appear to be cool with it, despite not feeling like laughing at all.

On the way home my partner and I both felt flat and extremely let down by Celeb. My view is that he took complete advantage of his position and wrote an unpleasant and misogynistic word, purely because he could. Celeb is extremely clever and very obviously witty with much of his humour being taken from observations in life. I have no idea why he would have sharpened his claws on me. I am averagely ancient, do not look, talk or behave like an arse and am also not very confident (apart from when wearing my activist kit!), so I know that I couldn't possibly have come over as negative or unpleasant in any way towards him. Why would I, as I had enjoyed seeing the 'Evening with' and was in a great mood as was everyone else.

My partner is really disappointed in Celeb too and he thought that it was an offensive and completely unnecessary thing to do. Our evening was spoiled and I feel humiliated and thoroughly shat upon. Celeb is also quite lucky as if he had done this to many women I know, they would have chewed him up and spat out the remains. It's possible that I was being unreasonable though, as other people may not have been offended.

I now have a book that has been personalised with a word that I find very offensive, that is also really misogynistic and an insult to me and to women generally. A mooch around the internet found that Celeb claims he isn't a misogynist, he is a misanthrope as he hates everyone equally. My partner and I would dispute that!

I know that it would be better if I was annoyed but instead, I felt flat and more than a bit gutted, tbh. There's an old phrase about never meeting your heroes. I should have taken note!

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riiiiight · 08/08/2018 08:25

I dont get why you want to protect a sexist twat

If you are at all aware of sexism you may be aware what happens to women who have their name published in any story vaguely discussing a man? Yes?

Chuggachuggatoottoot · 08/08/2018 08:26

I've never even heard of David Sadaris. If it is him he sounds like a dick

Xmasbaby11 · 08/08/2018 08:37

Oh No! I love him and have heard him live. He signed my book with something nice and was lovely to chat to. This was about 8 years ago though. It all sounds so weird. I'd be disappinted and disgusted with that.

liz70 · 08/08/2018 10:33

Again, check out some of his other signings. Puts it all into context.

extinctspecies · 08/08/2018 11:15

He might even have been intending a weird compliment...

This ^

Bitchy fag comedian whose stock in trade is unlikely juxtapositions makes all of Mumsnet very cross by writing "Whore" in a book dedication to a noble environmentalist.

MinaPaws · 08/08/2018 15:49

extinct and Circle - can you explain how it's a compliment?

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 08/08/2018 16:21

This might be illuminating for some. It's taken from the article linked to up-thread by Dramaticmuch in which DS attempts to put a positive spin on his use of the word 'whore' in an interview.

Whether you go along with his thinking is another matter!

There's another story he (DS) tells in his latest book, Let's Explore Diabetes with Owls, about a trip to China, during which he sits down to dinner in a traditional restaurant with some Western friends.

''There was this British woman at the restaurant who'd lived in China for a number of years and we were in this hot-pot restaurant where you take different things and throw them into a kettle. And she says, 'I took the liberty of ordering you some duck tongues'. And so I look at her thinking, 'You whore'. And the reason it gets a nice laugh, I think, is because she's clearly not a whore,'' he says.

'I read that story one night and a woman came up and said, 'When you call a woman a whore, you're calling all women whores'. And I thought about it for a minute and I said, 'You're absolutely wrong! You're so wrong about that'. I think it would be different if I called a whore a whore, don't you think? If there was a woman outside on the corner in a miniskirt and stuff and I said, 'You whore', that would be a little bit different.

''It's like if somebody called Sean Penn a faggot, I would laugh, because Sean Penn's not a faggot! But if you were to call Rupert Everett a faggot, then I would think, that's a little harsh. I think an argument can be made about just about every word, but you know, sometimes you get people and they're just really rigid, and are like, no, you can never use that word ever, ever, ever.''

birdsdestiny · 08/08/2018 16:24

That explanation makes it worse, his lack of understanding is breathtaking.

gandalf456 · 08/08/2018 17:11

I think the fact that he's trying to be edgy makes it worse than if he really did think you were a whore. He looks like the weedy kid who got his head kicked in at school anyway

ImperfectTents · 08/08/2018 19:37

Have you read 'Dinah the Christmas whore'? It was a joke

Whisky2014 · 08/08/2018 20:00

Her name isnt being publisbed is it? Don't be so patronising riiiiight.

SalemBlackCat · 08/08/2018 20:03

@OutwiththeOutCrowd That is mansplaining. As a man, how can he truly know how it feels to be a woman and called a whore.

It would be like a white person trying to explain to a person of colour how calling them the n word is ok.

riiiiight · 08/08/2018 20:14

Not patronising, just don't understand why you're happy for a woman to get doxxed on twitter so that you can have some celeb gossip.

Whisky2014 · 08/08/2018 21:04

I didnt say twitter either? She literally needs to post his name anonymously, others will pull him up on it

riiiiight · 08/08/2018 21:10

The Op is afraid this will get back to twitter though... She said that. She does not want to post the pic as it has her name (which is her twitter handle). If she doesn't post her name but people figure out is her due to the highly outting place/name/ weird costume etc it will get back to twitter.

If you had paid attention. You would understand her concerns. They are not unfounded concerns.

Whisky2014 · 08/08/2018 21:18

No..... She needs to post his name on here anonymously. No picture required, no link to Twitter :s Maybe he will think twice about it next time and maybe he might just need to answer why he writes things like that in women's books and if he ever writes any disgusting material about a man.

There's really no concern. You are being very dramatic.

Butterymuffin · 08/08/2018 21:27

I hadn't heard of him and now won't be looking for his work. But OP, you should go to another signing of his in your activist suit and say 'feel like writing another Billy big bollocks dedication tonight, do you?' (Joking of course, spare yourself any more contact)

Very interesting thread. The bit about men whose poor behaviour is
all dressed up as being ‘just how he is’
rings so true.

riiiiight · 08/08/2018 21:29

She is concerned though. she isnt trying to "protect a sexist twat" she's worried for herself. If you feel she is being dramatic, that's on you. I think it's a very sensible concern. Anyone with half a brain cell has figured it out already but at least now it won't be picked up by the Daily Mail because she hasn't confirmed it.

Whisky2014 · 08/08/2018 21:44

No, i feel like you are being dramatic! Jeez, you like to read what you want to read not what's actually there.

If i posted a name on here, can you tell me how it would link to my twitter please?

So in my opinion, she is protecting him.

CSIblonde · 08/08/2018 23:35

The thing is, Ive heard younger generation say stuff like "you whore" in affectionate banter, cue fits of giggles.(I live on school route to chicken shop). But some/a lot of adult women see it as only an insult. My gay friends also say it in banter, it's in no way an insult (which would be a fabulously bitchy one liner) .

I'd never heard of him so googled. He was totally charming being interviewed by Sue Perkins: you could tell they liked each other/found each other funny. I think it was a misjudged joke. Did you look aghast or just walk off. Maybe he'd have apologised if you'd made your reaction obvious (trying to give benefit of doubt).

SunshineP · 09/08/2018 06:49

He is well known for this it’s his bizarre dark humour.
He discusses it on a podcast interview he did with Dax Shepard (Armchair expert).
I think he is very funny.

InionEile · 09/08/2018 07:13

Well, if the 'celeb' in question is David Sedaris, then this short video clip might be illuminating. He talks about book signings and microaggresions and people taking offense at minor things.
David Sedaris is fed up of whiny PC types at his book signings

I'm not saying you are whiny, Hedgehog, but gives you some insight into his mindset and sense of humour. Writing / saying offensive things at book signings is clearly his thing. Writers do millions of these events when they have a book out so maybe he is just trying to find a way to keep himself entertained, even if it makes him seem like an asshole.

CircleofWillis · 09/08/2018 07:52

@MinaPaws extinct and Circle - can you explain how it's a compliment?. I was thinking he shared an unpublished story with the OP and thought they all found it funny. By writing the word in her book he was making a link between what he perceived as a shared joke and the name she wanted him to write in an attempt to make the dedication more personal and unique. She so clearly is not a whore and the sheer ridiculousness of writing it in her book was part of that joke. Also he was probably trying to compliment her by indicating he didn't think she was 'uptight' like the person who stormed off. Not well judged and a silly thing to do but not necessarily meant to be offensive or supposed to be offensive but not to actually offend if you see what I mean.

3luckystars · 09/08/2018 10:04

Sorry this happened to you hedgehog, I don’t know who he is but I’m just wondering what kind of fancy dress activist outfit you had on. It all seems s but mad.

Motoko · 09/08/2018 11:05

OP didn't have a fancy dress outfit on.