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To think schools shouldn't teach religion as absolute fact?

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PoesyCherish · 06/08/2018 13:35

DSD is 6 and is learning about Christianity in school. They're teaching her Jesus is the Son of God rather than "some people believe he is". Everything about the religion is taught as fact. They've also failed to mention anything about any other religion.

AIBU to think they shouldn't be teaching it as absolute fact? How are children supposed to be understanding and tolerant of other people's beliefs if they're taught one world view as fact?

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CantankerousCamel · 09/08/2018 22:56

lazy

Most of the problems with Islamic countries can be attributed to socio-economic security issues.

They are not following a doctrine that tells them not to wank off and that children and women are temptations that should be taught a lesson.

They are, however living in fucking slums. Like we were 100 years ago when we were treating gays and woman terribly.

You can not compare the two. Firstly because Islam is an entire religion and Catholicism is one way of worshiping the Christian god and secondly because most Muslims in those countries have no choice.

You have a choice and you use it to defend child molesters because ‘hey at least they’re not Muslims’

Listen to yourself.

MariaMadita · 09/08/2018 22:56

Show me the parts of Islamic doctrine that lets child abusers off the hook if they ‘say words

I don't know enough about Islam to know if that exists... Well, actually, doesn't conversion / reversion (which is on a basic level just words...) wash away previous sins? But someone with more knowledge of Islam may shed light on that.

As for other Christians?
How about the CofE pedophiles in Sussex?
I remember reading a really interesting quote about how forgiveness would actually completely wash away the sin / the crime...

I'll google it... Quote from the first article that popped up:

He said that Rideout, who was sentenced to 10 years’ imprisonment, absolutely resisted any suggestion that he was guilty and “I believe he took the view that he had been forgiven by God, his slate was therefore wiped clean. More than that, in terms of his mental approach to it, indeed his psychological approach from a very conservative viewpoint, was that it would be almost as though the events for which he was under investigation and then convicted for hadn’t happened. So, the mental approach is that forgiveness in those circumstances means (the sin has) gone.” Mr Jones felt that was a fairly prevalent view.

www.google.ch/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/chichester-paedophile-child-abuse-reverends-church-of-england-diocese-sex-offenders-a8270601.html%3famp

CantankerousCamel · 09/08/2018 22:56

I am an atheist. I don’t stand with any of your blood religions.

lazyhazysummer · 09/08/2018 22:57

Of course all catholics know, but what do you expect them to do. You can't blame all catholics for what the priests did, just the same as you can't blame all muslims. Don't be so bloody stupid and phobic.

CantankerousCamel · 09/08/2018 22:57

Maria

Examples of the church supporting this mans continued rape of children please?

CantankerousCamel · 09/08/2018 22:59

Lazy

I’ve not said I blame them.

I said they make a choice to continue to pray with and support a church that admitted it’s priests were rapists and the churches response was to cover it up and move them to somewhere they could continue to rape.

MariaMadita · 09/08/2018 23:06

Cantankerous

Not what I responded to. Nor was it the point I made.

Show me the parts of Islamic doctrine that lets child abusers off the hook if they ‘say words

I responded to your question about doctrine.

Btw, it seems like conversion to Islam does indeed lead to a forgiveness of previously committed sins. Which would mean: say words => off the hook.

Religiously speaking / according to doctrine.

MariaMadita · 09/08/2018 23:07

But once again, I don't know a lot about Islam...

CantankerousCamel · 09/08/2018 23:08

Actually there is an awful lot more to converting to Islam than saying words.

You have to, for example, give X amount of your income to charity

Follow stringent guidelines

Learn the Quran.

CantankerousCamel · 09/08/2018 23:09

But you’d know that. If you knew anything about Islam.
You obviously think all Muslims are the very worst people in the world.

Consider them, why your justification for standing with child rapists and slavers, is ‘at least they’re not Muslims.

What is that saying about you?

MariaMadita · 09/08/2018 23:14

Converting to Islam: saying the shahada -> now Muslim?

Obviously on a very basic level...

The things you mention seem to be religious obligations and not part of conversion / required of (devout) Muslims in general and not just converts. (?)

Anyhow, once again...

I mainly object to this comment:

Because catholics are the only ones who stand with rapists, paedophiles and child abusers

It's just not true.

(Just like your point about doctrine isn't...)

MariaMadita · 09/08/2018 23:15

You obviously think all Muslims are the very worst people in the world.

How the fuck did you come to that conclusion?

CantankerousCamel · 09/08/2018 23:16

Ummm. Yes it IS.

Again, Islam is an enormous religion.

Catholicism is just one sect of Christianity.

Again, why is your defence of this ‘oh we aren’t the only ones’

Honestly how do you live with yourself?

CantankerousCamel · 09/08/2018 23:17

Maria

I don’t tend to make blanket assumptions about a group of people who I know nothing about unless I have quite a lot of contempt for them.

The worst places on earth to live as a gay man or a woman are Catholic countries.

You choose to fund and support that. Stop projecting and just deal with the fact that nobody respects you for it. Quite the opposite

derxa · 09/08/2018 23:20

The worst places on earth to live as a gay man or a woman are Catholic countries. Really????

lazyhazysummer · 09/08/2018 23:21

You're attacking Catholism and implying that all catholics are a party to what the priests did. Why the hell would you think that. I mentioned Islam because you said that it's only Catholism that's a party to child rape etc, but you totally refuse to say anything about that, and you actually EXCUSE it, even though there's no comparison. I don't read about gangs of catholic men raping girls.....I'm not defending anyone but you are. Stop bunching all catholics together, your being discriminatory and hugely phobic. You're deluded, ignorant and have a huge chip on your shoulder and the only reason you're getting away with your hugely catholic phobic toxic talk is because it's deemed safe to do so. So do me a favour and get to fuck. You need help.

MariaMadita · 09/08/2018 23:21

Ummm. Yes it IS

Ok. So you're saying that people of no other faith (seeing as it's just Catholics) have been sick enough to stand with rapists, paedophiles and child abusers?

Seeing as it's just Catholics?

As I've already said, I wish you were right.

I honestly wish that Catholics were the only people that have contributed, condoned or participated in child abuse. There would be a lot less child abuse if that was indeed the case...

MariaMadita · 09/08/2018 23:23

The worst places on earth to live as a gay man or a woman are Catholic countries.

My little brother is homosexual. He has lived in Italy. Being openly gay... he's still very much alive and healthy.

Spain legalised same sex marriage in 2005. But yes, clearly the worst place on earth to be homosexual.

Thesearepearls · 09/08/2018 23:24

one thing I do admire about the French system of education is that schooling is secular

Because flipping religious idiots should not be messing with kids' heads

So for me the OP's school should be shut down. Together with all the CofE schools, the jewish schools, the madrassas. All of them shut down and stopped from indoctrinating their belief systems.

lazyhazysummer · 09/08/2018 23:25

The worst places on earth to live as a gay man or a woman are Catholic countries.
Really? so if you were gay you'd be happy to wander into a group of Isis. You do know what they do to them? Perhaps not, you seem a bit dim.

CantankerousCamel · 09/08/2018 23:27

You think Isis is a product of Islam?

No. Isis is a product of the occupations of Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan by Christian countries.

You need to brush up on your social economics.

CantankerousCamel · 09/08/2018 23:27

Also, Isis isn’t a country.

MariaMadita · 09/08/2018 23:44

So, just to be sure I understood you:

You'd rather be a woman or homosexual in countries like Somalia, Iran or Saudi Arabia than a Catholic country like Spain? Or Italy? The Republic of Ireland? Grin

Because Catholic countries are definitely always the worst places to be female and or gay... Hmm

lazyhazysummer · 09/08/2018 23:47

Also, Isis isn’t a country.
Neither is Catholism.

CantankerousCamel · 09/08/2018 23:50

Maria

You’re forgetting the Philippines, Argentina, Brazil.

My point is that Catholics have no moral high ground EVER.

With ample free choice, with the ability to worship the same fucked up god and his son in a variety of ways, catholics chose to do so amongst rapist, peadophiles and while given priase, money and support to an industry that has protected those sick men.