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AIBU to not want to have homeless people with complex needs placed in the house next door to me?

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StressedandNameChanged · 05/08/2018 23:57

I live in a 2 storey terraced house in a small residential street in an area with lots of rows of similar small terraced houses. It’s not the smartest area of town and hasn’t had the best reputation, but it was affordable when we moved here over 15 years ago, and we have been happy here. I live with my dh, and my youngest ds 12.

The end terrace house next door to me was bought by a private investment company earlier this year, and I recently found out that this was part of an organisation which combines property investment with supported housing. Following a lot of enquiries on my part, I found out that they planned to use the house as a house share for 5 vulnerable adults with complex needs and a history of homelessness. Complex needs means at least 2 of the following issues: substance misuse; history of offending; history of anti-social behaviour; mental health problems.

Communications with the organisations who will be managing the property have been problematic. They were initially very evasive, but once I had more info, the housing manager agreed to come to a residents’ association meeting to discuss the plans for the property. It didn’t go very well. On the agenda at the same meeting were problems with an existing supported housing project in the neighbourhood, where due to staffing issues and some challenging clients, the police are being called out every night.

The housing manager later offered to come and speak with dh and myself but as we were away at the time, we said we would arrange a date when we got back. Unfortunately, while we were away a neighbour put up some very offensive signs around the property, including some in my garden and went to the local paper. (This may be the same neighbour who has also been cutting cctv cables at the property). Since we got back we have tried to get in touch but no response. There is a meeting set up with the neighbourhood policing team and others, but the housing managers are not available to attend that either.

Meanwhile I have heard from elsewhere that at least one tenant would be moving into the property in 2 weeks’ time. I think the company running the property are trying to get it as a done deal with people living there before talking to anyone.

I know people can change and this is hopefully a good opportunity for the people who will be placed next door, but I also know there is no magic wand for people who have struggled with multiple serious issues for several years, and there will be relapses. I am worried about the location and the suitability of the property for this use. Most people who have suffered high levels of trauma and are trying to move away from a chaotic lifestyle want their own place where they can control their surroundings, not a shared house. I am worried about 5 vulnerable adults being housed together in a small Victorian terraced house with poor sound proofing. Many houses around here are used for student housing and they live 5 to a house, but they are groups of friends who choose to live together, and they can usually escape to their parents’ homes for a break. I know from experience the level of disruption just one tenant in a shared house can cause if they kick off, mainly to the other tenants but also to the neighbours. I am worried about some of the visitors they will attract. I am worried about the possible high turnover of tenants. I am worried about the potential disturbance for ourselves and other neighbours. I know what the streets around other hostels are like, and I will not feel safe if my street becomes like that. I am worried about the failure of the people managing the property to communicate, which doesn’t bode well if problems do occur. I am stressed out and losing sleep worrying about it.

Yes, I know I am being the very definition of a NIMBY, but I am amazed that this sort of facility can be placed in a residential street without any consultation with neighbours, the local authorities, the police or any existing services in the area.

OP posts:
Userplusnumbers · 06/08/2018 00:05

Most people who have suffered high levels of trauma and are trying to move away from a chaotic lifestyle want their own place where they can control their surroundings, not a shared house

Typically people with a history of homelessness and other complex needs have far better outcomes moving through shared supported housing than directly into solitary housing.

Unfortunately, while we were away a neighbour put up some very offensive signs around the property, including some in my garden and went to the local paper. (This may be the same neighbour who has also been cutting cctv cables at the property)

This doesn't concern you OP? I hope you never do anything to earn your neighbours ire...

I am amazed that this sort of facility can be placed in a residential street without any consultation with neighbours, the local authorities, the police or any existing services in the area.

Generally neighbours aren't consulted as its not really any of your business who lives in the other houses. It seems unlikely that other agencies haven't been consulted, particularly police, social services and local mental health and homelessness services.

rosylea · 06/08/2018 00:06

Where do you think the 5 vulnerable adults should live then? And what does NIMBY mean?

Fizbo · 06/08/2018 00:08

NIMBY- not in my back yard

MrStarkIDontFeelSoGood · 06/08/2018 00:09

It means Not In My Backyard

Basically the OP and people like her think "people like this" who she is othering and stigmatising have a right to live anywhere as long as it's not next to her.

Devilishpyjamas · 06/08/2018 00:12

Presumably there are some sort of support workers on site at least some of the time?

raisinsarenottheonlyfruit · 06/08/2018 00:13

YANBU.

Yes, you're being the very definition of NIMBY. But - I would certainly be worried about a succession of "adults with complex needs" being housed next to my family home. I would be stupid not to be.

This is mainly because I have a fair but of RL experience of "adults with complex needs" so I'm not romanticising the situation!

The housing manager sounds crap.

LighthouseSouth · 06/08/2018 00:13

OP

is there any chance you got a "change of use" type notice from the council but it was all written in jargon?

Is there a shared party wall?

I wonder if you'd be better posting on the legal board. hopefully there wont' be issues and you mention "high turnover" but that could be good - people gaining health and independence and moving out. So don't think it's all hopeless but if you share the adjoining wall, I can see that a total lack of consultation or HMO notice would be problematic.

Devilishpyjamas · 06/08/2018 00:15

We have a bail hostel across the road from us. I didn’t even know it was there for about ten years.

Personally I’d be more concerned by students moving in next door. Surely there will be support offered to people living there? If well run that should prevent too many problems.

MooFeatures · 06/08/2018 00:16

They're not homeless if they now live in a house. YABU, but I think you already know that and need to justify your feelings to yourself. I do understand your anxieties about the residents pasts, but think if the opportunity this could be for them - and also how many vulnerable, desperate and (ex)offenders may well live nearby without the support to improve their circumstances.

rosylea · 06/08/2018 00:17

I see, thanks. OP, where would you like your ds to live if he was (or ever becomes) a vulnerable adult?

Devilishpyjamas · 06/08/2018 00:17

I would get your neighbour to put his pitchfork away though - that’s not going to help. If he has concerns he needs to go through official channels.

FishingIsNotASport · 06/08/2018 00:18

I would be very concerned if this was happening next to me.

IvorHughJarrs · 06/08/2018 00:19

It's easy to be all PC about this and call OP a NIMBY but most people would have concerns and not want the uncertainty of how this will work out next to their family.

Some friends of ours had a home for children within a few doors and had no end of problems over some considerable time before it was closed.

raisinsarenottheonlyfruit · 06/08/2018 00:19

othering and stigmatising

Give over. People with "complex needs" such as addiction to heroin or crack are often not ideal neighbours! Fuck all to do with othering or stigmatising. (Speaking from experience!)

raisinsarenottheonlyfruit · 06/08/2018 00:20

Surely there will be support offered to people living there?

You have heard of austerity, no? Services are cut to the bone.

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Raisinshoes · 06/08/2018 00:24

I used to stay in a house with an elderly neighbor. One day I suddenly has new neighbors, a young couple with a newborn. I never saw them but the walls were so thin, I could tell who was staying there. Within a couple of weeks the young couple has moved out and in their place was a young person who liked to entertain large groups, inside the house and outside in the garden, next to my bedroom window. Picture a property with walls so thin that you can actually hear people snorting coke from a cd case that’s getting passed around. They loved the Robert Miles song ‘Children’ and liked to listen to it several times over an evening and finish off with The Beautiful South at around 4-5 in the morning, at which point they would take the party outside. After less than a month, I had a new neighbor, a middle aged acoholic lady who liked to shout a lot and have fist fights with her also middle aged alcoholic partner. All night, into the next morning. I didn’t wait to find out who ended up staying there next, as I had a young child, so I scraped up a deposit for another rental and got the hell out.

I had no idea that the property next door was going to be used as temporary accommodation, until I got the gist after the fourth tenant in as many months. I have to be honest, it wasn’t a great experience.

LuluJakey1 · 06/08/2018 00:27

YANBU to have concerns. I would not want to be in your position. We had a 2 bed terraced house and we could hear everything through the walls- when an alcoholic ex-convict moved in next door who had drunken violent episodes it was just awful. Police were there several times a week. We couldn't sit outside in our lovely yard because there was no privacy because we could hear him and he would hsout at us.He came to our front window, in the small garden, banging on the glass and shouting drunken abuse. It was a nightmare and thete was only one of him. His poor wife and kids.

Tiredperson · 06/08/2018 00:29

Yanbu

I say that as someone who’s worked in this area. The management have a responsibility to have open and good communication with the local community, who will be key to whether the housing is successful or not.

Police called every night is a sign of a poorly supported house. Try and work with police, the management and the council, not to stop this outright but to flag up issues and ensure they are resolved before anything goes ahead.

YABU not to expect that there will be some people who are disruptive, complex, difficult, in our community. We all have to tolerate this to a degree. But it’s crucial to what degree and that we face challenges head on without descending into total nimbys.

Devilishpyjamas · 06/08/2018 00:31

You have heard of austerity, no? Services are cut to the bone.

Yes. I have a severely disabled son - but if this is some sort of supported living arrangement there will be some sort of support.

ImAIdoot · 06/08/2018 00:32

YANBU to understand there is the potential for your family's peace and safety to have to absorb some of the cost of these people's journey.

It's not for you to decide though so you would BU to act like it was.

Personally I would move if possible.

LuluJakey1 · 06/08/2018 00:33

Eventually, after a couple of months of this and of the police taking the wife and children out of the house in the middle of the night and her going back to him several days later repeatedly, they all disappeared. He then burgled our house while we were at work. Was caught carrying stuff through next door's house into the lane where he had a van. CF.
Locked up. Don't know what happened to them. They left two kittens in the yard to starve. DH climbed over and got them and we kept them until our friends got back off holiday and they took them - they still have them 8 years later.

caroldecker · 06/08/2018 00:33

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PigletJohn · 06/08/2018 00:33

OOI, property companies sometimes like to spread this rumour when their intention is that the neighbours will be anxious to sell up and will accept a low offer.

A few contiguous houses owned by the same investor can increase their total value for development.

LuluJakey1 · 06/08/2018 00:34

All the posters telling you you are being a nimby would be nimbys if the house was next door to theirs,

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