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AIBU to not want to have homeless people with complex needs placed in the house next door to me?

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StressedandNameChanged · 05/08/2018 23:57

I live in a 2 storey terraced house in a small residential street in an area with lots of rows of similar small terraced houses. It’s not the smartest area of town and hasn’t had the best reputation, but it was affordable when we moved here over 15 years ago, and we have been happy here. I live with my dh, and my youngest ds 12.

The end terrace house next door to me was bought by a private investment company earlier this year, and I recently found out that this was part of an organisation which combines property investment with supported housing. Following a lot of enquiries on my part, I found out that they planned to use the house as a house share for 5 vulnerable adults with complex needs and a history of homelessness. Complex needs means at least 2 of the following issues: substance misuse; history of offending; history of anti-social behaviour; mental health problems.

Communications with the organisations who will be managing the property have been problematic. They were initially very evasive, but once I had more info, the housing manager agreed to come to a residents’ association meeting to discuss the plans for the property. It didn’t go very well. On the agenda at the same meeting were problems with an existing supported housing project in the neighbourhood, where due to staffing issues and some challenging clients, the police are being called out every night.

The housing manager later offered to come and speak with dh and myself but as we were away at the time, we said we would arrange a date when we got back. Unfortunately, while we were away a neighbour put up some very offensive signs around the property, including some in my garden and went to the local paper. (This may be the same neighbour who has also been cutting cctv cables at the property). Since we got back we have tried to get in touch but no response. There is a meeting set up with the neighbourhood policing team and others, but the housing managers are not available to attend that either.

Meanwhile I have heard from elsewhere that at least one tenant would be moving into the property in 2 weeks’ time. I think the company running the property are trying to get it as a done deal with people living there before talking to anyone.

I know people can change and this is hopefully a good opportunity for the people who will be placed next door, but I also know there is no magic wand for people who have struggled with multiple serious issues for several years, and there will be relapses. I am worried about the location and the suitability of the property for this use. Most people who have suffered high levels of trauma and are trying to move away from a chaotic lifestyle want their own place where they can control their surroundings, not a shared house. I am worried about 5 vulnerable adults being housed together in a small Victorian terraced house with poor sound proofing. Many houses around here are used for student housing and they live 5 to a house, but they are groups of friends who choose to live together, and they can usually escape to their parents’ homes for a break. I know from experience the level of disruption just one tenant in a shared house can cause if they kick off, mainly to the other tenants but also to the neighbours. I am worried about some of the visitors they will attract. I am worried about the possible high turnover of tenants. I am worried about the potential disturbance for ourselves and other neighbours. I know what the streets around other hostels are like, and I will not feel safe if my street becomes like that. I am worried about the failure of the people managing the property to communicate, which doesn’t bode well if problems do occur. I am stressed out and losing sleep worrying about it.

Yes, I know I am being the very definition of a NIMBY, but I am amazed that this sort of facility can be placed in a residential street without any consultation with neighbours, the local authorities, the police or any existing services in the area.

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zzzzz · 06/08/2018 00:35

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LighthouseSouth · 06/08/2018 00:35

@PigletJohn

good point. also makes me wonder even more now if a change of use notice was issued.

Devilishpyjamas · 06/08/2018 00:38

Who told you that? That’s not my understanding at all

No nor mine. Ds1 has complex needs & doesn’t have anything on that list.

I do know someone who use to run supported for people with those sorts of issues but they were well supported (so personally would rather have one of her homes next door than a bunch of students rat arsed every night).

WanderingTrolley1 · 06/08/2018 00:40

Yanbu.

StressedandNameChanged · 06/08/2018 00:41

Thank you, that's me told!

Where do I think they should live? Well, a detached house would be a good idea, from my point of view. Or at least in slightly less confined conditions.

@LighthouseSouth There is a shared party wall, it's a terraced house, and we know well how sound travels between the houses. There is no need for an HMO notice unless they were planning to house 7 or more - which would be impossible in a house this size. And no, there has been nothing from the council.

@UserPlusNumbers My neighbour's behaviour did concern me, and I have had strong words with him. He is now sulking and no longer talking to me - which is not a bad thing. I admire your confidence about the consultation with the other agencies, but I know for certain that it didn't happen. it's positive that you think that shared housing will work out better for them, as I had heard differently.

I apologise if you think I am stigmatising and othering the potential tenants. Please explain how I am doing that.

I still wonder how many people would choose to have their family home next door to a halfway house.

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Beeziekn33ze · 06/08/2018 00:42

The house sounds small. If so I assume there's will be no full time support or supervision.
The housing manager needs to meet with residents.
Your neighbour needs to stop inviting trouble and damaging property. Why don't they want cctv?

crazycatgal · 06/08/2018 00:42

YANBU, the people saying yabu and calling you would probably be kicking up a fuss if ex-offenders and people with drug addictions were moving in next to them.

rosylea · 06/08/2018 00:45

This thread is disgusting!! Disablist and stigmatising.

tomatosalt · 06/08/2018 00:46

I have worked in social housing before and in my experience the success of this sort of set up is very dependent on how good the service provider is. I shudder at the thought of trying to get the tenant mix right - too many similar problems and the situation will implode, yet too little in common and the provider will be dealing with endless tenant disputes.
From a very practical perspective I would try not to make your new neighbours feel unwelcome but if here are ongoing problems, document them. Time, date, what happened, how did it effect you etc. Keep a log of the issues and contact the service providers. Ask for a copy of their complaints/neighbour disputes policy. Find out who they have a contract with (social services? council?) and escalate your issues to them if the provider is not responding satisfactorily. This is the only way I have seen really good, swift outcomes for neighbours of antisocial social housing tenants.
In saying that, you may find that the advice provider is excellent and your barely notice your new neighbours.

MyDcAreMarvel · 06/08/2018 00:46

If Corbyn gets in, the Jews can be added as well.
Oh do grow up Carol.

tomatosalt · 06/08/2018 00:47

sorry, service* provider

RedneckStumpy · 06/08/2018 00:47

I am a Brit in the USA I have a neighbor who is a brilliant, helpful guy. He has a house behind him that is home to a drug addicted teen with a long criminal record.

One day he had a simple conversation with the kid. He said I don’t care what you do, or need to do but if it effects my property or children then I’ll shoot you.

He has never had a issue with him

KC225 · 06/08/2018 00:52

I don't know if you would get much sympathy here OP. I wouldn't call you a NIMBY - people in glass houses etc. I would be concerned, given the circumstances you describe.

Unfortunately your neighbour has played into their hands with criminal damage and offensive signs. Due to your neighbour's actions the management company now have the moral high ground their flakey contact.

I don't know what to suggest, perhaps keep trying to get a dialogue or a representative to attend meetings. Try and reign in your neighbour, in fact distance yourselves from them completely as they will harm any negotiations.

I do feel sorry for the people to be housed here - it seems they are a just commodity, housed in your words not the 'smartest the part, not always safe but affordable part of town'. From what you describe - a terraced house with poor soundproofing in a hostile neighbourhood doesn't sound suitable for vulnerable people at all.

As the person arrives shortly, I think you have to keep a detailed log of any disturbances but you probably know that. Good luck.

LighthouseSouth · 06/08/2018 00:53

OP
Even if they don't need an HMO notice, what about a "change of use" notice?

HelenaDove · 06/08/2018 00:53

In this case elderly people had to move out of their sheltered accomodation so it could be converted into temporary housing.

Anyone who objected was made to feel like a NIMBY

But many were just concerned about how the stress of a move would affect elderly people some of whom were in their 80s and above. They wernt objecting to homeless people needing somewhere to live or othering them.

Neat way of getting people (including some relatives of the elderly residents being moved on) to STFU though.

www.onlinefocus.org/frances-cottee-lodge/

StressedandNameChanged · 06/08/2018 00:56

The residents will have key workers and there will be roaming support covering a number of properties both here and the neighbouring town.

@zzzzz @devilishpyjamas the definition of complex needs is not mine. It is from the contract that the housing organisation has taken on. It will mean other things in other situations, such as your DS's case.

I have friends who work in this sector locally and with a similar client group. It is a small town, so I will probably know some of the people who will be moved in there.

I hope the support levels are good, because that will be essential to the success of the project.

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Devilishpyjamas · 06/08/2018 01:00

Well yes. With good support I wouldn’t worry at all. Or at least there would be about 15 other ‘types’ of neighbours I would find less desirable.

Is there an enforcement agency for this sort of provision (CQC? Depending on classification?) Would be worth checking reports for other services for the same provider. And report issues to them as well.

Hamiltoes · 06/08/2018 01:08

OP I live in a steet where there are 4 terraced homes in the middle that are used as temporary supported accommodation for families struggling with homelessness, mental health illness, substance abuse etc. They get to keep their children with them while they're being rehabilitated so as you can imagine there are probably alot of troubled adults and children. 2 families (mostly single mothers with multiple children) sharing a 2 bed house. I feel nothing but complete and utter sympathy for them tbh and it would never occur to me to think I had some sort of right to say who else lives in my street Hmm.

BUT for reassurance purposes... yes there are sometimes police cars (violent ex's!).. but there are pretty strict rules in this type of accommodation and parties etc are not allowed. In fact I think they have a curfew. And my house value has not dropped if that's what you're concerned about. I dispise NIMBY attitudes.

esk1mo · 06/08/2018 01:11

i understand your situation. mainly the part about the shared wall, but id hate to share a wall even with a family of 5 or 5 students.

my downstair neighbour has complex needs (head injury) but no criminal background. he is lovely, polite and quiet. the students and families around me are far more noisey.

i wouldnt enjoy living next to ex-criminals if they were noisey. you might find they just want to get their head down and get on with making a life for themselves though. there are a few bail hostels in my city and ive never seen trouble at them.

tbh, when i can afford to buy a house it wont be semi detached.

and you arent disablist or stigmatising. you are allowed to be concerned. you dont have to just smile and accept potential upset incase it offends anyone.

rosylea · 06/08/2018 01:11

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HelenaDove · 06/08/2018 01:12

its likely their violent exes who have caused their problems in the first place.

theunsure · 06/08/2018 01:18

Oh YANBU, that is my idea of hell!

Very happy to admit to being a NIMBY, I’m not tolerant and not going to pretend to be.

I’d probably rent my house out and rent somewhere else tbh (as assume you won’t be able to sell).

I’d be livid OP, the housing you describe is not suitable-it’ll just be a way of them ticking a box to provide a service as cheaply as possible and sod the impact on the local community.

StressedandNameChanged · 06/08/2018 01:23

@LighthouseSouth they are maintaining that it is an HMO so doesn't need change of use notification.

@Rosylea I am sorry that you are upset by this thread. If any of my dc developed severe mental health problems or addiction problems, I would be very concerned for them, as unfortunately the support for these conditions is inadequate and underfunded.

Yes, there are people with multiple issues living nearby, for example the d**khead who put up the abusive signs and cut the cctv cable. Many with mental health problems, others with histories of offending, and currently offending, and of course substance misuse problems, mainly alcohol, and we do look out for each other. But they are spread out, not squeezed into one property.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 06/08/2018 01:24

I have worked in a number of these type of homes. I have also lived next door to two.

AMA.

quizqueen · 06/08/2018 01:37

I suggest you approach the investment management company and ask them to buy your house and move! No one wants to live next door to trouble.

For those who say. 'What's the problem, these people have to live somewhere', yes I agree. So every time there is a house for sale in your street I suggest you also get in touch with this same company so they can come and live near you!!

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