Neighbour's toddler waking entire street up

[Myheadhurtsintheheat]

I've NC'd for this as it might be outing.

Our NDN has an 22-month-old DC who doesn't talk much but squawks like a parrot at top volume. I swear this is no exaggeration - it's the most bizarre noise. From what we can tell, toddler's parents never encourage him not to make the noise - they just let him squawk. I think they're from the "be expressive" school of thought.

My AIBU is that they're bringing him out into their back garden at 6.30am when he's up and he's squawking everyone awake, including my DC, whose room is at the back too. I get that it's very hot and really hard for kids to sleep at the moment, but isn't it incredibly selfish to inflict that noise on everyone else if you're not going to try to teach the child to moderate it when appropriate? Or am I just being a grumpy old moaner?

And if INBU, should I say something?

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The next time they do it, just pop your head out the window and say"don't you think it's a bit early, other people are still trying to sleep!!".

6.30am is very early for noise in the garden, I wouldn't have thought either parent would want to be up so early but I don't think you can do much about it, he's only a baby. He'll outgrow the squawking :-).

However, I'd put my DC's needs above those of random strangers

This phrase and your username formerbabe says so much about you....

Why is everyone saying they don't know how they'd get a 22month old to stop 'squawking'?! That child is nearly 2 years old. Distract and entertain the poor thing. It's not hard!

It's generally the entertaining that causes the squawks of delight ime.

Why is everyone saying they don't know how they'd get a 22month old to stop 'squawking'?! That child is nearly 2 years old. Distract and entertain the poor thing. It's not hard!

Clearly it is, which is why they'd rather just shunt him outside and make him everyone else's problem, so they (or at least one of them) gets to lie in bed, in relative peace and quiet.

However, I looked online and I read that councils will not investigate noise complaints about children playing and babies crying....why do you think that is?

Probably because they don't have the manpower to address it. Doesn't mean a squawking 22 month old outside at 6:30am is reasonable.

@adoggymama someone with sense. Teaching babies/toddlers/children to behave appropriately in society begins early and simply. I work with young children and it's easy to tell which parents actually "parent" and which indulge/soft parent their offspring

Definitely say something.

That would drive me insane, toddler or not.

Who, unless incredibly selfish ( yes ndn talking to you here) inflicts unnecessary noise on someone at 6.30 am?

YANBU at all

OP YADNBU - 6:30am is far too early and I sympathise. My kids are noisy when playing out - but they are NEVER allowed to play outside before 9am because I know that it is inconsiderate to do that. They are also not allowed out past 7.30pm on school nights or 8pm at a weekend/holiday (only exception would be if we are all out there to sit and have a bbq or drinks and play a game but they are told to be quiet or go inside). Even during the day if I think they are being too noisy they get told to quiet down and if they don’t they are sent inside.

The point is, it’s irrelevant what the law is - it’s about at least trying uk be considerate to your neighbours!

With regards to the law, before 7am it IS illegal to be making excessive noise.

As for formerbabe all I can conclude from your posts is that you are well and truly one GF. You come across as very selfish and deliberately argumentative (you say you wouldn’t let your own kids do it as it’s not acceptable but then argue til you’re blue in the face that the OP is unreasonable by being fed up of her kids being woken up ).

I don’t like confrontation so I would struggle to say something in RL. So if I got on with the person I might make some sort of jokey comment like “bloody hell, you guys were up early this morning weren’t you? Even woke my kids up this time!” If I didn’t know them or get on with them, I’d consider a politely worded, but anonymous letter put through their door when out!

Good luck and I hope that you’ve had the rain this weekend to give you respite!

*to not uk - god knows how that autocorrected!

I’d have stick my head out the window by 6.35 and given my opinion!! That or watered the plants with a hose ... & missed!!
Give him something to really squalk about.

Selfish, ignorant fuckers.

I'd be having a word.

God who puts their kids out in the garden st half six knowing they will make a racket.

My neighbours.

They have 3 between the ages of 12 and 7 and they've been thrown out in the garden from 6.30am for the best part of the past 10yrs.

Selfish neighbours. You’d be within your rights to say something at that time. They can help it by giving their child attention and distracting him from making silly noises inside their house.

You can see who those parents are on this thread, can't you?

(and yes, I do understand the problems of non-verbal toddlers. They are not helped by being outside at 6.30am)

"Why is everyone saying they don't know how they'd get a 22month old to stop 'squawking'?! That child is nearly 2 years old. Distract and entertain the poor thing. It's not hard!"

Do you think that 'cures' all repetitive loud noise making?

I won’t let mine play outside until 8.30 weekdays (so not before school) or 9-9.30 at weekends. The actual type of noise is irrelevant, but it shouldn’t be disturbing the neighbours.

We once had a neighbour with screaming child and it was hell because it was summer and she often paced garden (outside our window) with him from 5am - nightmare since I had to be up at 6.30am for work but I figured she was going through enough and didn't mention it.
When the baby was about 3 months old, she brayed on our front door soon after I got home from work and claimed that our dog barked for half an hour every day in the early afternoon after my husband left for work at lunchtime. and she couldn't put up with it because it woke the baby. Dog was in the house so must have been muffled barking too.

But we ended up having a real row - and six months later we moved. I always wished I had mentioned the screaming in garden at 5am!

Can someone buy an old banger and park it on @formerbabe 's drive with a sign on it reminding her it's not illegal to do so?

@FASH84

Is there any need for that comment? Really?!

I have a pretty good idea what you mean by squawking, and I certainly don't envy you. My niece use to talk and scream in much the same way. I swear my hearing was damaged by it. Putting up with that at 6.30am must be torture. Politely explain to your neighbours, that your
DC's bedroom is at the back of the house, and could they please put their DC out in the garden a little later, or through lack of sleep, you will knock the little bastard off his perch!

FASH Or we could all go round there and squawk outside her window Pretty sure we've established there's no law against it.

Oh the irony of being preached to about consideration by posters who are now being incredibly rude.

formerbabe I don't think we're being particularly rude. Does the law say we are?