Neighbour's toddler waking entire street up

[Myheadhurtsintheheat]

I've NC'd for this as it might be outing.

Our NDN has an 22-month-old DC who doesn't talk much but squawks like a parrot at top volume. I swear this is no exaggeration - it's the most bizarre noise. From what we can tell, toddler's parents never encourage him not to make the noise - they just let him squawk. I think they're from the "be expressive" school of thought.

My AIBU is that they're bringing him out into their back garden at 6.30am when he's up and he's squawking everyone awake, including my DC, whose room is at the back too. I get that it's very hot and really hard for kids to sleep at the moment, but isn't it incredibly selfish to inflict that noise on everyone else if you're not going to try to teach the child to moderate it when appropriate? Or am I just being a grumpy old moaner?

And if INBU, should I say something?

I'm starting to wonder, YorkieDorkie!

Yes, you can ask and they'd be well within their rights to tell you to get lost.

Do normal people usually tell their neighbours to get lost when asked to do a perfectly reasonable thing? Maybe in your world.

Agreed @kaytee87 in what world is that acceptable?

8am isn't arbitrary in this instance as they clearly want to be in the garden early, it's still early but more reasonable for people who would be sleeping at 6.30. So the time suggestion is based on logic therefore not arbitrary

Like I said earlier, no not the neighbour! I do have surrounding neighbours with babies and toddlers and I don't care if they make noise.

Do normal people usually tell their neighbours to get lost when asked to do a perfectly reasonable thing? Maybe in your world

IME a large proportion of increasingly serious neighbourhood disputes arise from a someone telling someone to "get lost" in response to a reasonable request.

@kaytee87. 7.30am then or 8.09am. You are misinterpreting me. Yes, it maybe considerate. Perhaps it would be considerate to never use the garden so as not to disturb anyone ever? I'm talking legally. What legal right does one neighbour have over when another neighbour is entitled to use their own garden?

It wasn't a literal 'get lost' more a metaphorical one.

IME a large proportion of increasingly serious neighbourhood disputes arise from a someone telling someone to "get lost" in response to a reasonable request

Probably because they've been brought up by people like former.

I don't understand the attitude of some people. For example my DH put some bottles in the glass bin in our garden at 8am one Sunday without thinking, the neighbour must have been having a lie in and knocked their window to indicate to be quiet We have now moved the bin and make sure we don't put anything noisy in until lunchtime.

God are people really so nit picky! Obviously there's some grey area here. 6am is clearly too early to make noise. 7am is probably still too early. 8am is debatable and 9am is definitely fine (although it's considerate not to make excessive noise at any time).

Some neighbours would tell you to get lost, they know there's nothing you can do about it and they're just selfish people who don't care about good relationships with their neighbours.

You could try saying something but the type of person who thinks is OK to put a loud child out into the garden at 6.30 in the morning isn't going to be receptive to requests IMHO. It's just inconsiderate. Borrow a dog and let it bark non stop and see how they like it.

@formerbabe no one has suggested anyone has a legal right to tell people they can't use their garden at 6.30am. You've been told that repeatedly.

formerbabe

Using the time that the child is left out in the garden is an interesting way of side tracking the thread.

You cannot pick an arbitrary time out of thin air and expect someone to abide by it?

You can

Does the law say this?

What you can’t do is to continually allow your child to disturb your neighbours because you are taking them outside at 6.30am

Does the law say this?

@formerbabe omg you and the law and talking legally - I think its time you stopped now. all you keep going on about is the law this & that... this isn't a legal issue that you keep going on about - this is more about a neighbour having consideration for others - being a decent neighbour and person!

Yanbu but for the sake of good neighbour relations I would not be overly confrontational about it. A 22 month old squawking sounds irritating and my almost 3 year old DGD was verbal to a degree at that age and certainly didn't squawk. Maybe the child has SEN. Presumably it is just because of this prolonged heat he or she is out that early. Your neighbours are being inconsiderate

@formerbabe you must live an exhausting and angst filled life.

'At park and child 1 has been on swing for half an hour while child 2 waits. Child 2's parent asks child 1s parent if their child can get a shot. "You don't have any legal right to ask me that!!!"

Person 1 in supermarket queue has huge shop. Person 2 has one thing and juggling an unhappy toddler, asks to skip queue. Person 1 "you don't have any legal right to ask me that, get lost!!!"

Can you not see how ridiculous that attitude is

I don't think a toddler making noise in its garden at 6.30 in this weather is inconsiderate anyway.