AIBU to be worried about the normalisation of far right politics?

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Just that really. I'm interested in what people consider to be far right and what people think causes it and what should be done about it.

I think it's caused by inequality and people feeling hopeless.

Anti semitism is an issue for British society for both the left and the right.

If you can't admit that and see the truth in that then you and not being clear sighted and you are not dealing with the truth.

Our own prejudices blind us to the failings of those we support but some issues must cut through. I am on the left but can see the issues Labour is struggling with and I can also see the Farage is an anti Semite.

Facts, though, facts.

I'm not talking about a 'what if' situation. I'm talking about the DCMS report into what has actually, really happened.

Facts matter. They really do.

Dissolving facts in an all-encompassing cynicism and then attempting to transmute it all into a 'what if' fairytale', in which there is no significant difference between things that happened and things that never happened ^is not OK'.

We are adults. We have the respondibilities attendant upon those gifted with cognitive ability and alive in s democratic society.

It behoves is to engage with both facts and reality.

Thag was in reply to DieAntword

The conflation of socialism, communism and liberal is also very worrying. On this thread the terms are all used for 'the left' when they are all different political ideas.

Ah great daisy, so we do agree, we have at least one leading brexiteer who everyone agrees is a racist/anti-Semite.

I think the DCMS report makes clear that, if you feel yourself succumbing to the desire to move to the FarRight, you're a very silly little bunny indeed.

You're letting yourself be played.

After this report, you are knowingly letting yourself be used like a bit of Kleenex for Putin and the likes of Andy Wigmore to have a quick wank in.

And you're fucking the UK over into the bargain.

Come on, babe: you're worth more than that.

And they're laughing at you.

Find your self-respect.

Ah great daisy, so we do agree, we have at least one leading brexiteer who everyone agrees is a racist/anti-Semite.

no idea what your agenda is Helmet, but I'd like you to leave me out of it.

Please don't make any further posts to/about me which suggest that I have said things which I have not.

I have never mentioned Nigel Farage in any of my posts & certainly have not tried to defend his recent anti-Semitic comments, contrary to what you seem to be trying to imply.

I ran into a load of Far Right 'Football Lads' on the anti-Trump march.

I thought: 'Putin's wank socks'.

Now, after this report, I know they're Putin's wank socks.

The leader of the Brexit movement, a racist/anti Semite.
Who would have thought it!
Never forget.

(Not to daisy)

It was obvious that Brexit would damage the uk so of course it’s enemies would support it. It’s obvious that a Corbyn government would too so.

They self-describe as being 'anti-Islamic' notjust the less-controversial 'anti-Sharia law' (such. Nonsense in the UK, where we follow UK law).

But why is that actually controversial? Surely people don't have to like religions? If they described themselves as being anti-Christian or anti-Scientology, they would either be cheered on as progressives or nobody would bat an eyelid. There is nothing wrong with advocating against religion, specifically ones that have such abhorrent attitudes towards gay people. I find it funny that they are the ones classed as "right wing" when the monotheistic religions are themselves "right wing" in the way they view homosexuality, women's rights, animal rights etc.

Of course I would never advocate people being attacked because they happened to belong to a specific religion but we should absolutely challenge ideas and beliefs and gays have every right to challenge the idea of sharia law or any aspect of any religious law that would deny them rights without being shut down as "right wing".

I’m very much left wing but I’m lukewarm towards Corbyn and am concerned about anti-semitism on the left. Anti-semitism is of course not unique to the left but it is there and ought to be challenged.

But I’m a lot more concerned about the far right because it’s in the ascendancy across much of Europe and is a race-based ideology. Actual Conservatives should be particularly scared of the far right because the far right could well usurp conservatism, as is happening in the US currently. Still staggering to me that the former leader of the American Nazi Party won the Illinois Republican nomination. Good to see American conservatives condem it, but I fear it’s too little too late.

Strangely, a lot of non-Far Right people are a bit squeamish about protest groups organised against particular religious groups.

Can you think why?

Putin's not squeamish about that, by the way. Apparently (that DCMS report again) says Kremlin on-line agents were instrumental in stoking anti-Rohungya feeling in Burma.

Really, you are perilously close to being Putin's wank sock if you start thinking it's OK to target an entire religious group of people and foment protest against them.

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Sorry, that was replying to lostincake

The conflation of socialism, communism and liberal is also very worrying. On this thread the terms are all used for 'the left' when they are all different political ideas.

Couldn't agree more Moussemoose.

The conflation of socialism, communism and liberal is also very worrying. On this thread the terms are all used for 'the left' when they are all different political ideas.

Same here. It all seems intended to convey a message that anything left of centre is bad.

I watched a video clip of children in cages in USA, separated from their parents. I was shocked by the number of people commenting to justify it on the basis that their parents were illegal immigrants, non-white, etc.

Here in UK - Commonwealth citizens who were British Overseas Citizens before they were invited here to build up this country, have been betrayed by a right wing government who know very well that back then, kids who travelled here on their parents' passports were never advised or even required to regularise their stay.

Worked here for years, same
as their parents, and were then deported. Their money frozen in the bank, pension rights lost etc. Their descendants here now no longer deemed British either, and struggling.

Now despite a confused government aiming to U-turn - who is going to bring those people back? Re-establish the rights and money they lost?

What sickens me in general is the thought that if Hitler were reincarnated today, he would find support amongst the descendants of brave people who fought against fascism back then. Atrocities are normalised, as long as someone is deemed "different".

There are people who think as long as someone is a different colour and nation to them, then it's "shrug shoulders" if they are treated wickedly.

People who actually believe after Brexit, GB stands a chance of returning to some great white empire again, are crazed. The 1st post on this thread is robotic in its repetition almost word for word here and there in the internet.

I'm not interested in Corbyn or May. I'm interested in humanity. Displaying a lack of it seems more nowadays to be a badge of honour in many ways and that's pitiful.

The brainwashed in the UK need to reject hate.

There is another way.

Embrace hope and love!

Just
#WalkAway

If it wasnt so bloody depressing I'd be laughing my socks off over brexiteers 'getting our country back' funded by the might of the Russian bear. We really are teetering on the edge of an Idiocracy.

If it wasnt so bloody depressing I'd be laughing my socks off over brexiteers 'getting our country back' funded by the might of the Russian bear. We really are teetering on the edge of an Idiocracy.

Oh I agree, all those brexiteers who have been fooled by russians and aren't really capable to vote as their personal experience means fuck all if it doesn't align with my personal worldview, the Independent (funded by a russian oligarch) is telling me I need to stockpile beans, but look at the uneducated plebs reading red top headlines and believing everything printed.

We are above name calling, as we obviously fall into the intelligent bracket, Gammon isn't based on race so not racist and just anti eu.

This is my favourite gammon, which is yours...

After all it is only the right that has been funded by Russian dark money with their now accepted attempts of interfering in western politics, after all it is the Conservatives and leave who have promoted a Russian apologist into the upper echelons of our political system.

Seumas Milne is right wing...

Still funny tho innit? Count those roubles.

Yanbu op, some of the responses on this thread confirm this...

Don’t think the Kremlin really cares if the people who destabilise the uk are doing it from the left or the right. I mean the most effective strategy would be to encourage both.

Ridiculous to blame the Kremlin when the biggest destabilization this country has seen since WWII has come from our own hands - voting for a xenophobic Brexit - and thanks for that go to Boris the Russian hater.

Do keep up counterpoint, youre missing some info.