Aibu MNHQ does not want us to debate brexit on the main boards

[Quietrebel]

Just that.

Someone shared a link to the Independent's Final Say petition. The most important debate this nation can have right now is on the final brexit deal. This was promptly buried in the 'petitions' section.
This isn't any old petition. It concerns all mums/ citizens. If someone wants to share it with the wider MN community, they should be able to.

@boneybackjefferson thanks for that, I've now got Black and White going round my head

Quietrebel
We’ve been giving it to you for 2 years.
It’s never good enough.
You’re fanatics.
I’m sorry leaving the EU is proving traumatic for you, but I honestly don’t think going over the same things a 1000x is helping you - unless you’re into masochism?
Counselling would be more appropriate now.

Quietrebel
genuine dialogue is never embarrassing. It's all anyone wants here.

A trust has been broken, it doesn't matter how much genuine posters ask, or what their reasons are. those that belittled, spat vitriol and scorn on those with a different opinion have damaged any chance of serious discussion on this forum.

It takes more than we will be nice to mend it or give any expectation of a different result.

@rainbowsandsmiles you can thank @Laiste she put it in my head.

“We’ve been giving it to you for 2 years.”

So you keep saying.

Except I’ve been here all along and I’ve never seen anyone actually spell out real, tangible (and even vaguely likely) benefits that will come out of Brexit. Only people saying that they have already said these things many times and aren’t prepared to say them again.

Funny, that.

Got to love Mrs Doyle!

So right.

"If I have to say the same thing over and over again there's a 50% chance I might die."

"Ah, but won't you say it again anyway?!"

LoveInTokyo

Except I’ve been here all along and I’ve never seen anyone actually spell out real, tangible (and even vaguely likely) benefits that will come out of Brexit

And there you have it we have moved from personal to "real and tangible"

“the definition of insanity is doing the same thing yet expecting different results.” Einstein or Mark Twain.

Well I’m obviously discounting things like “we’ll have more money for the NHS” and “we won’t have to sign up to TTIP” which I saw on here in the early days.

I mean, surely you’re not expecting us to count “benefits” people have listed that we all know are not actually going to happen?

sorry it's proving traumatic for you
Not at all! It's because no one wants it to be traumatic that I was hoping for a genuine, rational and respectful debate.
surfer no one is calling you names here - and you'd be hard pressed to find anything rude against other posters in my history.

I’m sorry leaving the EU is proving traumatic for you, but I honestly don’t think going over the same things a 1000x is helping you - unless you’re into masochism? Counselling would be more appropriate now.

Got to second this.

Quietrebel

Believe it or not its not you, Its not Ta1kinpeace, But frankly neither Tokyo or trees fills me with any desire to put anything on here.

I put it on here and got slated for my efforts. The pile on from successive posters on successive threads means that I am going to walk the fine line between sides, and generally stay away from anything that is going to allow other posters to goad and annoy.

You may find this annoying but this is the level of discourse that you are going to get. After all anyone with a robust view is a "paid troll" or has Tokyo changed her mind somewhere on the thread?

I’m sorry leaving the EU is proving traumatic for you, but I honestly don’t think going over the same things a 1000x is helping you - unless you’re into masochism? Counselling would be more appropriate now.

Er, well, personally I am not leaving the EU. My biggest problems personally are when to move the rest of my money out of the UK (wishing I’d done this a few months ago but it’s too late now) and what to do about the fact that my UK driving licence probably won’t be recognised in France after Brexit but if I swap it for a French one then that probably won’t be recognised in the UK.

Obviously I’m concerned for my friends and family who will actually have to live through the chaos, but you guys should be more worried about that than me.

It is a little disappointing that you don’t seem to care about what happens to people in Northern Ireland though. I guess we’re really not all in this together.

It is a little disappointing that you don’t seem to care about what happens to people in Northern Ireland though.

Oh look, we have passive aggressive emotional guilt tripping efforts now.

BoneyBackJefferson I never said I thought all leave supporters were paid trolls. I said I said I thought two or three people who posted in the run up to the referendum were. It was especially conspicuous that they disappeared as soon as their job was done and didn’t stay to gloat like all the genuine leavers did.

Oh look, we have passive aggressive emotional guilt tripping efforts now.

But none of you have made any effort to engage with this issue, despite the fact that it is the single biggest sticking point in the entire process.

There’s a thread about it in the Brexit topic which you could go and look at. You do realise that over 3,000 people were killed during the Troubles, right? And that the violence only abated due to the Good Friday Agreement, which the Tories are now shitting all over, right? And that there is a very real risk that if a hard border is imposed then there will be further violence and more people could lose their lives? And that currently no one has come up with a workable solution for avoiding a hard border?

This is not scaremongering. These are facts, which no one on the Brexit side seems willing to engage with.

boney
Look, fine. I see this is a very polarising subject and has been for a long time. I'm not interested in rehashing the last 2 years here.
I am wondering right now what a satisfactory outcome could be should there be no deal. What would you like the government to take as a next step, or should there be an election? How do you think this should be managed?
Have you got plans if normality gets disrupted? Is pulling the plug an option you could ever accept/consider? Those are the sort of questions I'm interested in. They're entirely new scenarios in a new context, don't you agree this should get discussed? Mudslinging and belittling entirely forbidden.

I never said I thought all leave supporters were paid trolls. I said I said I thought two or three people who posted in the run up to the referendum were

Yes, presumably based on nothing but your own paranoia and no actual based evidence?
Then you wonder why people don't want to say yet again the same stuff.It'll be "paid troll, paid troll, paid troll 'cos I don't like what you're saying."

But none of you have made any effort to engage with this issue, despite the fact that it is the single biggest sticking point in the entire process

FFS, yes they HAVE! Repeatedly. You just do not want to listen.

Start the conversation from where we are today, not where we were two and a bit years ago .....
radical

Two or three posters, based on their posting style (which was almost robotic), their posting frequency (incompatible with having literally anything else to do) and the fact that they disappeared for good at 9:59pm on 23rd June and have never resurfaced.

I haven’t accused anyone I’ve seen on here in the last two years of being a paid troll. Who on earth would be paying them now? What for?

You do realise that over 3,000 people were killed during the Troubles, right

No. That is BRAND NEW INFORMATION (sorry, Friends reference in case it goes over your head too)
Look, I'm sorry, but this is the kind of level of debate you're going to get as you're seriously incapable of listening to anything.

Ah, divide & conquer. Not sure what I’ve done to arouse suspicion.

FFS, yes they HAVE! Repeatedly. You just do not want to listen.

Not on this thread, or any other thread that I have seen. What is your solution to the Irish border issue?

Ah, divide & conquer. Not sure what I’ve done to arouse suspicion.

Maybe something to do with coming out with shit like "ah, divide and conquer?"

Not on this thread, or any other thread that I have seen.

Yes, because you only see the answers you want to see.