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Aibu MNHQ does not want us to debate brexit on the main boards

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Quietrebel · 26/07/2018 10:25

Just that.

Someone shared a link to the Independent's Final Say petition. The most important debate this nation can have right now is on the final brexit deal. This was promptly buried in the 'petitions' section.
This isn't any old petition. It concerns all mums/ citizens. If someone wants to share it with the wider MN community, they should be able to.

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LoveInTokyo · 27/07/2018 14:43

If remainers are hysterical now, they are going to be apoplectic until the deal is done on the last possible day. Then we have 2/3 years to implement it. Plenty of time. Thats how deals are done.

Not this kind of deal. There are too many things that need to happen between the deal being done and us actually leaving the EU. Businesses are going to start voting with their feet if the basic structure of a deal is not agreed with six months to go.

If you look at the behaviour of the high profile Brexiters, it's clear that they don't think a deal will be done. Jacob Rees-Mogg has been moving his own business interests to the republic of Ireland and saying we are heading for a no deal (which he supports, because he personally stands to gain from it).

Boris Johnson is the clearest indicator. When told that businesses were worried about the lack of progress in the negotiations, he said "fuck business".

He then penned a pretty resignation letter all about how Brexit could have been wonderful but now it won't be and he has no choice but to resign. Having fucked everything up spectacularly for the last two years, he's distancing himself from the government because that way, when we leave with no deal (as he clearly thinks we will) he will be able to say, "it wasn't me!"

He's a glory hunter. If he thought this was going to end well he would want to take the credit for it. The fact that he's running away from it as fast as his legs will carry him is very telling.

rainbowsandsmiles · 27/07/2018 14:46

Thanks for all the articles though and the brief summary which you gave stating some say it will be a problem and some say it won't. I believe, generally that's what journalists do - write articles from different perspectives.

Precisely. If you get your links all from the same perspective and bias as yourself without reading other sources for balance, there's no wonder some are so worried, scared, set for the worst as that's all they ever see.
No perspective from another angle/bias to measure it against.

HateIsNotGood · 27/07/2018 14:46

As yet Mother the FT haven't called for a quote and I can't be arsed to Google for one. But them's the Rules, you could look at them yourself if you wish.

Ta1kinpeace · 27/07/2018 14:54

Esoterically wiffling about stuff like airlines is all well and good
but I do wish Brexit / Leave supporters would tell us

what three things they expect to be better in their own lives after Brexit

its a really simple question that they should have answered by now

Walkingdeadfangirl · 27/07/2018 15:02

Ta1kinpeace, its been answered many times on many threads by many people, you just dont like the answers.

LoveInTokyo · 27/07/2018 15:04

"If you get your links all from the same perspective and bias as yourself without reading other sources for balance, there's no wonder some are so worried, scared, set for the worst as that's all they ever see."

I provided three different sources. I am not going to bother with sources such as the Daily Mail, and I make no apology for that.

Ta1kinpeace · 27/07/2018 15:07

walkingdeadfangirl
its been answered many times on many threads by many people, you just dont like the answers.
I'm not sure what you mean.
What were your three things ? Why would I not like them?

rainbowsandsmiles · 27/07/2018 15:09

what three things they expect to be better in their own lives after Brexit

Nobody knows, that's the whole POINT, and neither do you!
As someone else mentioned, people have put across their points repeatedly over the threads but some clearly don't want to listen or like the answers so pretend they haven't been answered.

Motheroffourdragons · 27/07/2018 15:14

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This has been withdrawn by MNHQ on behalf of the poster.

Ta1kinpeace · 27/07/2018 15:32

rainbowsandsmiles
Nobody knows, that's the whole POINT, and neither do you!
Hence why I use the word expect
Surely people supporting leaving the EU have things that they hope and expect to make a difference in their lives afterwards?

My three (from the other side of the fence) are
(a) I expect strawberries to get more expensive - I like strawberries
(b) I expect parts for my car to get more expensive - they come from Germany
(c) I expect my car wash to struggle to find staff as the Bulgarians head home.

I have no idea if any of them will happen, but we can all check after Brexit.
What are the Brexit supporters so unwilling to say what three trivial things THEY expect / would like to see change ?

BoneyBackJefferson · 27/07/2018 16:28

Ta1kinpeace

You have had answers to your question, the problem is the short term memory of the responses they got for posting their views.

We know have a rewritten history of Brexiters won't give me a response when the actual truth is that they have and were rounded upon for it.

Why would they put themselves through that again just because you are now allegedly ready to talk?

Ta1kinpeace · 27/07/2018 16:31

You have had answers to your question
So several people have said, could you remind me when ?
Just that I asked surferjet on her thread and she departed the board ....

And is it so painful to restate three simple things that you think will be better after Brexit?

surferjet · 27/07/2018 16:42

Ta1kinpeace

That’s right, I no longer post on the Brexit board - there’s only so many times you can be called an idiot ( & all variations of ) before you get tired of it.
Apart from that, you’re not the slightest bit interested in my views - which are all crap according to your fellow remainers - so why waste my time?
Plus I find you all very boring & repetitive.

Sorry.

Currywurstmitpommes · 27/07/2018 16:49

Thanks for taking this on OP. Regardless of your point of view, Brexit is reaching its crunch point and - as much as people would rather go on putting their heads in the sand- it really needs to be in the most high profile place possible.

Next March is not really very far away. We cannot, as a nation allow our fate to be decided by Mrs May and her government. They have proved themselves to be incompetant and selfish. Corbyn is no better. If we wish to take control then the debates need to be had and the topic out in the open.

rainbowsandsmiles · 27/07/2018 16:50

Apart from that, you’re not the slightest bit interested in my views

Absolutely this, I've been on some of the past ones and as you say if you don't say the exact same thing the name calling starts or the sheer ignoring of posts and pretending they haven't had any answers as they don't like them.
I say this as someone who voted remain too.

Ta1kinpeace · 27/07/2018 16:50

surferjet
I AM interested in your views.
I genuinely want to know what you expect to get better.

I work with lots of leave supporters in real life and it is a real conundrum to me how unwilling they are to articulate what will make them happier after Brexit.

I too find the doom and gloom hypotheses tiring
but I also find the lack of things that half the voters are looking forward to equally frustrating.

There must be one thing that you will be able to say
yup, that has positively happened to me because of Brexit
what do you think it will be ?

rainbowsandsmiles · 27/07/2018 16:53

Brexit is reaching its crunch point and - as much as people would rather go on putting their heads in the sand

Or maybe it's because they're getting sick and tired of all the scare mongering and demanding a new referendum as people voted the "wrong" way and they're not sticking their head in the sand at all, and are just tuning out the more you tell them they really really NEED TO LISTEN? Hmm
Kind of like how you tune the kids out when they're going on and and on and on about it.

LoveInTokyo · 27/07/2018 16:58

It's not scaremongering to be worried about and want some answers with regard to fundamental issues such as the border in Ireland.

Where is the scaremongering?

We've had lots of accusations of scaremongering in response to the air travel issue but not one single person has been able to produce any evidence that shows we are covered for air travel in the event of a no deal exit.

Ta1kinpeace · 27/07/2018 16:58

rainbows
OK, so the UK is Leaving, its done. Some sort of deal will be reached.
Which bit of Brexit will make you happy day to day ?

BoneyBackJefferson · 27/07/2018 17:02

Ta1kinpeace

If you don't remember what happened in the months (year) following the result then fair enough, but some of us do.

I have also given a reason why you won't get any many responses.

But the vitriol was beyond a joke, with many remainers justifyingtheir views with more vitriol. It is one of the reasons why people demanded that Brexit et al got its own board.

rainbowsandsmiles · 27/07/2018 17:02

Where is the scaremongering?

Are you serious?
Yeah, you clearly are.
As the other poster said, there's just no point. You're so far gone you can't see it.

Talkstotrees · 27/07/2018 17:06

Me too. I was late to the Brexit boards and my first post was a plea to leave voters to tell me what was going to be good about Brexit, so that I could stop worrying and try to get behind it. I was told that it had all been said before and, as remainers had been rude, it couldn’t be repeated. I asked for links or at least directions to these previous discussions but none were provided. I asked if anyone would be prepared to message their thoughts, thus avoiding the rudeness of remainers. Nothing.

If we remainers are currently ruining Brexit by not being positive, surely it would make sense to explain why we should be supportive.

Why not have one more try? For the good of our country.

LoveInTokyo · 27/07/2018 17:06

How am I scaremongering by wanting to talk about what will happen if there is no agreement for air travel (unlikely but possible) or if there is no resolution to the Irish border issue (extremely likely)?

BoneyBackJefferson · 27/07/2018 17:07

LoveInTokyo
It's not scaremongering to be worried about and want some answers with regard to fundamental issues such as the border in Ireland.

Its scaremongering to put forward your view as a done deal and that this is going to happen.

And lets be honest re NI borders, maybe just maybe if the politicians had taken the referendum seriously in the first place they may have put that forward as a major point instead of an add on at the end when they suddenly started listening to the polls that said they might lose.

Ta1kinpeace · 27/07/2018 17:07

Boneybackjefferson
Why are those who won not proud to explain to everybody the specific things they expect to improve after Brexit?

Not flight schedules and stuff - I'll leave that to the folks whose job it is

I mean the little day to day things.

Because my worry is that unless you can quantify them you'll never get them
and then there will be a lot of upset people when Brexit does not turn out how they thought (on all sides and the middle)

All you need to do is list three things - why is that so scary ?