Aibu MNHQ does not want us to debate brexit on the main boards

[Quietrebel]

Just that.

Someone shared a link to the Independent's Final Say petition. The most important debate this nation can have right now is on the final brexit deal. This was promptly buried in the 'petitions' section.
This isn't any old petition. It concerns all mums/ citizens. If someone wants to share it with the wider MN community, they should be able to.

Talkstotrees

Why not have one more try?

And be Charlie Brown to Lucy with the football?

Its scaremongering to put forward your view as a done deal and that this is going to happen.

I think we need to be honest here.

We promised to respect the Good Friday Agreement. In December Theresa May agreed to a backstop that was supposed to ensure that the Good Friday Agreement was respected and that there would be no hard border in Ireland. Boris Johnson or David Davis (can't remember which) immediately tried to renege on that.

The only way to avoid a hard border is for Northern Ireland to remain in the single market and customs union. This is a legal reality. We can't agree to different treatment for Northern Ireland without pissing off the DUP (on whom Theresa May is politically dependent) and causing Scotland to kick off about independence again. The Tories have ruled out the possibility of the UK remaining in the single market or customs union.

These are unavoidable facts, not scaremongering.

What is the solution? I can't see one.

And lets be honest re NI borders, maybe just maybe if the politicians had taken the referendum seriously in the first place they may have put that forward as a major point instead of an add on at the end when they suddenly started listening to the polls that said they might lose.

Yes, absolutely it should have been a major issue. We shouldn't have held the referendum without a plan for the border issue, and we definitely shouldn't have triggered Article 50 without one.

But we did.

The fact that parliament dropped a bollock on this one or simply doesn't give enough of a shit about Northern Ireland to worry about it doesn't change the fact that this is a dealbreaker.

Boneyback
I don't get it.
Why keep telling people to look for something unfindable
when you could shut them up by summarising the positives of brexit - not general stuff but your own personal ones

Ta1kinpeace

Why are those who won not proud to explain to everybody the specific things they expect to improve after Brexit?

I've already explained it, you aren't listening

All you need to do is list three things - why is that so scary?

Why does anybody need to do this for you?
and Again there is only so many times that people are prepared to put their views forwards to be call thick, racist, stupid etc. etc.

No. So that we can get behind Brexit.

So several people have said, could you remind me when ?

Constantly on all the threads. You clearly don't want to hear other viewpoints though.

And is it so painful to restate three simple things that you think will be better after Brexit?
I don't KNOW, just like you don't know that everything is going to fall down in a heap.
I voted Remain, people seriously need to get a grip about it though, there's no wonder people who have voted Leave don't want to say anything anymore.
Airbrushed history of threads as pp said, I've been around long enough to see the first absolute pandemonium post that got put up when the result came through.

Ta1kinpeace

Why keep telling people to look for something unfindable

I haven't told you to look anywhere, because MNHQ will have pulled the posts and sometimes threads as breaking talk guidelines.

when you could shut them up by summarising the positives of brexit

Nope not falling for that one either.

not general stuff but your own personal ones

Been there done that, not happening again

BTW. even though I can see both sides you are mistaken in how you think that I voted :)

Boneyback just watched that Charlie Brown clip, yep, that sums it up perfectly!

Boney, just do it, just explain again, please. Who knows, it might help. As you’re neither racist nor stupid, how can being called these names hurt? And as your reasons/benefits will be neither racist nor stupid, the people calling you such names will be the stupid ones.

I defend everyone’s right to their opinion - I’d like to hear some leavers’ opinions on the benefits we can achieve by brexiting.

Be brave

Try this one

At 1 point the whole first page of Aibu was full of brexit debates. All saying the same thing. No op thought they were unreasonable, they all just wanted to keep having the same debate, over and over. People got pissed off and asked for it's own section

Yep, just like the same debate over and over that this thread is turning out to be. There was thread after thread of them, all the same,all saying the same thing. Which is why it got its own section.

Boney, just do it, just explain again, please. Who knows, it might help.

Lucy, is that you?

rainbows
but that is because you and boneyback are not saying anything

You do not like the doom and gloom but you show us no rainbows or smiles

I know all the negative stuff. Even I am pretty bored of it.
I've yet to hear the positive stuff.
I've asked for the last two years and not been given a look this thing will be better answer.

Try this one

but maybe they've got a signed document this time?!

Ta1kinpeace

Stop humiliating yourself by begging leavers to talk to you. It’s getting really embarrassing. ( & I’m being serious )

but that is because you and boneyback are not saying anything

FFS, how hard is it to understand?! That's because there's no POINT, nobody listens when you do!

Honestly, the only response I’ve ever seen on here to the question “what are the benefits of Brexit?” is “they have already been explained many times”.

surferjet
I have to talk to leavers all the time with work.
Hence why I'm genuinely trying to find out what they are looking forward to at this stage.
Bouncing ideas on here helps the understanding process
its a form of CPD

Posters wonder why the Brexit threads have been given their own place ... as if they're such an amaaaaaazing opportunity for the uninterested and uneducated to learn about brexit.

How does it go? Every time? It's black, no it's white, it's black, no it's white. It's BLACK i tell you and i'm an amazing Expert don't you know! It's white and it's obviously white because my brothers mate's father works in government. No - it's black and the whiters are all thick. No - it's white and you should stop complaining. Bla bla bla bloody bla.

That about sums it up Laiste!

I have little sympathy with people’s boredom. If people took more of an interest in politics then perhaps we wouldn’t be in this mess. (Referring to people who voted without properly informing themselves and people who didn’t bother to vote.)

surferjet genuine dialogue is never embarrassing. It's all anyone wants here.

I have little sympathy with people’s boredom. If people took more of an interest in politics then perhaps we wouldn’t be in this mess

You really, really don't get it do you? It's not about boredom. I've been around since the first thread after the result and even posted on it a bit.
The amount of insults thrown if anyone dares to say anything different was disgusting.
As Bony said. Charlie and the football. There actually is no point as you're just not listening to a single thing.