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To ask why opposition seems so powerless against the resurgence of the right on our continent?

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damaged · 16/07/2018 07:57

Italy and Salvini being a prime example at the moment, but they are obviously not the only ones. Here at home we have moved to the right, and our future is currently uncertain.

It seems to be a trend in a lot of places, to a greater or lesser extent. We are next door to delightful people like Erdogan and Orban, and Trump refers to the EU as “foe”.

Meanwhile Bannon is apparently in Europe, preaching his ideals.

What can we do about it?

Why does the opposition seem so weak, even though there is opposition.

OP posts:
pfttt · 17/07/2018 12:11

This is fairly obvious, OP.

Putin's not stupid. He doesn't just limit himself to bribing/finding Kompromat on one side. He makes sure to attract the far left as well as the far right. That's why Corbyn and friendly Labour MPs keep appearing on RT and why Corbyn trod the Putin line on the Skripals and Syria so abjectly. Seumas Milne is well known for being in Putin's pocket, and Corbyn does as Milne says.

The irony is that people still imagine Corbyn presents some kind of opposition.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 17/07/2018 12:13

Yes many are North African decent second and third generation and many as French as Macron

But France has no problems with immigration that isn’t what a large number of voters thought and claimed that is why Macron has put in some rather questionable legislation you can’t ignore such large numbers of voters

pfttt · 17/07/2018 12:14

WE saw last night that the only opposition to the far right was being presented by Anna Soubry, a Tory politician. And apart from Brexit, a pretty bog standard one.

Labour provides no opposition on Brexit or anything else.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 17/07/2018 12:19

Absolutely

But when it came to the crunch Anna Soubry put her party before her belief in there EU - typical Tory this is why they are so successful

pfttt · 17/07/2018 12:45

I think this thread answers your question, OP. Lots of really obvious Russian trolls, posting really obvious shit like posts supposedly attacking anti-Semites that also attack 'Antifa' (as if anyone who cares about anti-Semitism thinks that 'Antifa' is a threat rather than a supporter!).

pfttt · 17/07/2018 12:46

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed - not true. Anna Soubry has been bravely facing down death threats to provide opposition on Brexit. She voted against last night.

scaryteacher · 17/07/2018 13:02

Apologies for this being the Mail, but this was in there today:www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5960853/Why-Denmark-banning-burka-despite-one-Europes-proudly-liberal-nations.html

A PP asked why Poland and Hungary are against immigration...have a look at their history with the Ottoman Empire - it might explain it.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 17/07/2018 13:05

Our fate was sealed when parliament voted to trigger Article 50

Look how she voted then

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 17/07/2018 14:39

But I like Anna Soubry I think she has been honest much of the time

She was critical of the Remain campaign ignoring the immigration issue. She is the only politician that I am aware who who has said that it was a huge mistake to allow the referendum to go ahead without a proper debate in parliament and what this could actually lead to - MP’s overwhelmingly supported to have the referendum on what grounds an election promise Hmm of course they are never broken

At least she has able to say she was wrong to support this not many others are coming forward to not when they can place the blame elsewhere for their monumental misjudgment

scottishdiem · 17/07/2018 18:06

What I fear is that all of the problems that the right wing populists and anti-immigration types say will be solved (no housing, low wages, no good jobs, lie after lie after lie etc.) wont be.

So who will get the blame then and what will happen to the vulnerable then. Immigrants were the acceptable targets during the Brexit campaign. When the world doesn't get better will the abuse they get be worse?

Justanotherlurker · 28/07/2018 00:19

What I fear is that all of the problems that the right wing populists and anti-immigration types say will be solved (no housing, low wages, no good jobs, lie after lie after lie etc.) wont be.

Well if you come at it from this angle then it is obvious you are worried, the reason why there is an upswing in right wing policies is because it is framed as anti-immigration rather than controlled immigration.

Lets not pretend that their hasn't been an issue with people even suggesting some form of controlled immigration has been met with calls of racism, hence we would not be in the situation we are now globally, also lets not use revisionism and say that we already had caveates/laws and could have implemented them without said calls of racism.

There is a reason why Sweden/Germany is now utilising Schengen and why Italy is kicking up a fuss and turning away french NGO's from docking in their ports whilst France stopped them a few years ago.

The reason the right is on the rise is because neoliberalism, which the center left align with, has not dealt with the issue.

It has become a not true socialism meme where the "left" are trying point the finger at the right without taking any of the blame and promising next time it will be better.

FeminismandWomensFights · 02/12/2018 18:13

In Hungary the shutting down of universities is bloody scary. www.nytimes.com/2018/11/29/opinion/hungary-central-european-university-george-soros.html

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