To wonder why we aren't rioting in the streets?

[Danniz]

So:
The government is about to begin stockpiling processed food in case the country is plunged into chaos by a “no deal” Brexit.
In just over half a year the UK is going to be wrecked for decades to come. We're looking at rationing, for God's sake. Power cuts. Mass unemployment. The loss of our employment and human rights. The new Health Secretary has allegedly received 10s of 1000s from the head of a thinktank that wants to abolish the NHS. There is no plan for the future. Not even the most ardent of the Brexiter politicians that got us into this mess are pretending that we aren't looking at massive economic and social problems.
Isn't it time for us as ordinary citizens who, with our children, will pay for this fiasco to start demonstrating, meeting our MPs, doing anything else that might possibly help to stop this? I don't just mean the demonstration that took place in London, and the others around the country - I mean serious numbers of people, making their voices heard. Because we will all suffer the very serious consequences of this mess.

If you do not agree with me, argue the point with me.

I don't like to think over half the voting population is as you describe, I have this stupid idea they are individual as everyone else can't can't be tarred with the same "jingoistic arrogant" soundbite.
That's just me though, if you want to argue they are all the same go ahead.

The problem is we have never been here before, how can we say what will happen when nothing is known.

I really wish some brave Brexit supporter would definitively detail the benefits of an exit for ordinary people

I think you are living in a different universe. The number 1 reason that Brexit supporters want to leave the EU is to be out of the EU! That is the benefit for ordinary people. You are not understanding deliberatly because you are asking a leaver to explain something in remainer terms, it cant be explained like that, because you just dont get the whole point is to leave the EU. Are you being deliberately obtuse or do you really not understand that everyone a majority of UK voters don't think the same way as you.

Shocking rebuttals from the BRX people.

Have they no idea what will happen at all? If they have let's hear it. It is all deflection and attacking the poster who posts a question. Quelle surprise!

But let us wait and see what happens. Since we will never know until BRX day will we?

The UK is now a divided country. Bravo!

The UK is now a divided country. Bravo!
It was divided before it's just that no body in power paid attention or took any concerns seriously.
This didn't happen over night.

YADNBU OP.

We're in deep deep sh*t.

So, why should we be taking to the streets just because, for once, the British Govt. might actually be showing some foresight?

The ports will jam, lorries will be queuing and nothing will get in...

Why on earth should this be the case? International trade does not stop just because there is no trade agreement. They want to sell, we want to buy.

First, I voted "Remain" in the referendum.

There are two sides to Brexit. Economic and political. Economically, the case for "remain" is overwhelming. We will be worse off in the short - medium term and it will take a good while to adjust to the new circumstances..

International trade does not stop just because there is no trade agreement.

Yes it does, as has been pointed out on this thread. No country in the world trades on purely WTO rules. If we want to continue letting goods in from the EU without an agreement, we could theoretically just drop all barriers (tariffs and regulations) but then we would have to do the same for every country on the world, so who knows what could end up for sale.

Posted too soon

The political case is more difficult. The EU is a political basket case (and the Euro an even worse one). It needs root and branch reform and there seems a total lack of any desire by anyone in Brussels or the European Parliament to grasp the nettle and do anything about it.

On the political side, I think the "leavers" have a strong case and I have never seen anyone on the "remain" side treat seriously.

Sorry, no it does not.

Dropping all tariffs and barriers to trade (i,e "free trade") for all nations was this country's policy for generations. I'm a "remainer" but the idea that trade stops because there is no trade agreement in place is nonsense.

I am a remainer, however the vote was held and the result is the result.

But did it need to be done so quickly? Or could it have been done over a longer period, with time for proper plans and negotiations, and time for the necessary infrastructure and legislation to be put in place?

Also, I don't recall the situation in NI being discussed at all until after the vote. You may have seen peace in NI but it is a tentative peace, and it wouldn't take much to undo the whole thing. There are small groups in NI on the streets rioting right now, all this past week. Those numbers could grow quickly when things start declining.

I recently drove from Belfast to Dublin seamlessly. It is awful to think what could happen in less than a year from now. Either a border there, or people in NI being checked at ports and airports when moving to other parts of a country they supposedly belong to. Either way, the people of NI are being thrown under the bus.

Whoever said about those of us living in the UK now being collateral are spot on. The UK govt has shown it's contempt for it's own people over the last decade, what makes any of you think our interests will suddenly matter on 30th March? This country is divided into the haves and have nots. Most people are barely making ends meet, while a few at the top profit from the misery. The people are either apathetic or feel voiceless. Those problems will only be magnified by Brexit.

It is a really worrying time, and I will readily admit that I try to bury my head in the sand about it.

G morning brexit lemmings. So the point of being a lemming is to throw yourself over a cliff? No benefit but that? whilst insisting that this is the kind of painful and unecessary death that all right-thinking lemmings want and are actively working towards as all the other lemmings shouting "no dont wanna die" are traitorous lefty swine. I see. Thanks for that.

Food and medical security are just good sense. I say that as a person who has been in Qatar throughout the seige. Almost all our food came from Saudi and a lot of drugs from Egypt. However, there has been no tangible effect on us at all except meat and milk are now locally produced, ditto salad. Other stuff is Turkish or Greek mainly. But this was a hostile situation, intended to start something big. They lost that one. Brexit isn't. Nobody will starve. But people who read the sun probably need the drama in their life.

painful and unecessary death that all right-thinking lemmings want and are actively working towards as all the other lemmings shouting "no dont wanna die" are traitorous lefty swine

This, essentially, is all that’s left. This is the Sunlit Uplands that we were promised.

Half the population dragging the other half over the cliff, demanding that if only everybody chants “Wingardium Levio-sa!” we’ll soar to glory.

And that while the pro-cliff population are the Majority and the anti-cliff people are so few that they barely exist, simultaneously it’ll be the fault of the Barely Few for not chanting properly, when we plummet to the rocks below.

And that the rocks below were always the planned and expected destination anyway (but it’s still the Few’s horrible fault when we surprisingly hit them and in that case why are we chanting “Wingardium leviosa”?).

And furthermore that despite the rocks being the expected-yet-not-expected destination, nevertheless we must all be dragged over this cliff because - and here is the absolute clinching winning argument - well we don’t really know for sure what might happen, the rocks might turn into fluffy candy floss, or a fragrant up-draught of unicorn farts might waft us to the Sunlit Uplands after all.

Thank God I now see the point of it all. It's just to leave the EU.

This might be OK if the benefits and disadvantages weighed out equally. There are few unequivocal goods in politics, most decisions do require some trade offs.

But just to expect your fellow citizens to accept what will be at best serious inconveniences and at worst catastrophic economic and social damage without being able to give a single good reason beyond "I just want to do it", well.......

People talk about democracy being damaged if we change our minds - I wonder what damage is being done right now to our young people? What level of cynicism will they have about democracy when they see their elders and betters doing serious damage to our country for no better reason than "We want to do it"?

@sheepsheep - I and others were banging on about NI in MN and elsewhere prior to the vote in as many threads as we could. I nc'd after the vote.

Leaving the EU is basically an upscaled version of letting the baby out with the bathwater. So many of the 'privileges' in the UK stem from being members of the EU. Most are not seen of course but even simple things like no chlorinated chicken (available from the USA anytime soon), the massive help with security agains terrorism, regulations that ensure travel, medicines and goods are safe.
WTO trade rules are as bad, if not worse than trading with the EU.Any goods travelling into or out of the UK will have to travel a lot further, read expense and 'fresh' produce will be more difficult to provide.

Have you 'leavers' examined the proposals that various goverment ministers have in mind to at least propse, one the UK is out of the EU. Human rights bill 'modified' to remove important aspects, working time directives, one was proposing 'workhouses' for poor unemployed. These weren't on the ballot paper either.

Workhouses aren't actually that bad, in my ideal dystipian present unused tube stations will be used to house the homeless and they will all be free to used one of the hundreds of power generating exercise bikes to give something back to the city. It'll do children some good if we go back to using them as chimney sweeps too.