To wonder why we aren't rioting in the streets?

[Danniz]

So:
The government is about to begin stockpiling processed food in case the country is plunged into chaos by a “no deal” Brexit.
In just over half a year the UK is going to be wrecked for decades to come. We're looking at rationing, for God's sake. Power cuts. Mass unemployment. The loss of our employment and human rights. The new Health Secretary has allegedly received 10s of 1000s from the head of a thinktank that wants to abolish the NHS. There is no plan for the future. Not even the most ardent of the Brexiter politicians that got us into this mess are pretending that we aren't looking at massive economic and social problems.
Isn't it time for us as ordinary citizens who, with our children, will pay for this fiasco to start demonstrating, meeting our MPs, doing anything else that might possibly help to stop this? I don't just mean the demonstration that took place in London, and the others around the country - I mean serious numbers of people, making their voices heard. Because we will all suffer the very serious consequences of this mess.

For those wondering what no deal will be like, think back to the petrol shortages not so long ago. No petrol available to bought. Queues at petrol stations etc.

It will be like that but for pretty much everything including food and medicines.

I did laugh at that Nick Cohen article. It’s an insult to people’s intelligence and for those who believe it an appropriate one.

He knows full well the BBC has to report impartially. He doesn’t acknowledge plenty of lies were told on the remain side too.

And of course he thinks lovely Carole can waft in, in her cheese cloth skirt and floaty tops and all the plebs will see the light.

And of course there wasn’t a firm plan. Because so much of Brexit depends on factors beyond our control in the EU.

But you can’t not do things because you don’t know exactly how it will plan out. Imagine when slavery was abolished or the US entered the World Wars - nobody knew how any of those would pan out, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have happened.

Because so much of Brexit depends on factors beyond our control in the EU.

What about "take back control?" If the success or otherwise of Brexit is dependent on the EU then that makes a mockery of that slogan.

And as to the comparison with slavery, no doubt if you'd asked the slaves what they wanted before the Civil War they'd have said "freedom". And if you'd asked what freedom meant to them they might have said something like "I'll be able to marry whom I wish knowing that they won't be sold away from me, my children won't be taken from me, I will be able to move to a different place if I want to, if my employer beats me with a whip I can leave and no one will be able to drag me back to him"

Compare that to the empty "sovereignty" where as soon as you say "what does that sovereignty mean to you" you get a load of vague slogans and never anything concrete.

What lies do you think were told on the Remain side? Don't say a punishment budget (which Osborne promised), didn't happen, because Cameron resigned and Osborne got the push. I am quite sure he'd have passed a punishment budget given the opportunity.

So all those EU companies that sell us food, which the UK wants to buy are just going to throw it all in the bin and go bankrupt if we leave the EU. Just fantasy.

I would love to see Merkel or Barnier standing at the border shouting, "no, you can't sell it to them, throw it in the bin and go bankrupt!!! let them buy it from other countries".

Cameron implied he would file Article 50 the very first morning. You could call that a lie.
A lot of the worst scenarios were based on the fact that last month should have seen our first days of full exit.

Cameron also said that he would stay on as PM and stay in Parliament. Was that a lie or did he mean it when he said it? He might have been better calling the Parliamentary party together and asking them if they wanted him to stay on. But he threw in the towel.

just going to throw it all in the bin and go bankrupt

Top understanding of the situation, there.

Top understanding of the situation, there.

That is the bottom line.

just going to throw it all in the bin and go bankrupt if we leave the EU
No, they will sell them to nations who abide by collectivey agreed trade rules, it's not difficult to understand. Walkingdeadfangirl Perhaps you like football? If players don't follow the rules they get reprimanded or thrown off the pitch.

The English aristocracy are quite content to starve anyone, including white people. Ask our erstwhile friends over the water.

That is the bottom line.

That really isn't.

But what the EU suppliers CAN do is sell the same produce to the UK at a greater price and add a bit extra as well to cover drivers and vehicles having to go throigh customs.
There is a paper being circulated to all 27 countries saying that busienesses need to be prepared for a 'no deal' or 'crash out' scenario.
There is a stock of money set aside to help EU counties with extra costs for doing this work. Has the UK Gov given assurances to all businesses that they can get financial assistance for the transition (which will come out of everyones taxes of course).?

Soz about spelling, I must put a light on!

If we crash out with no deal, it won't be that the EU suppliers won't want to sell us supplies, it's that they won't be able to as the necessary customs facilities are not in place so their produce would be held up at the border.

*But what the EU suppliers CAN do is sell the same produce to the UK at a greater price and add a bit extra as well to cover drivers and vehicles having to go throigh customs.

Yes I agree, and that would be the worst case scenario.

If we crash out with no deal, it won't be that the EU suppliers won't want to sell us supplies, it's that they won't be able to as the necessary customs facilities are not in place so their produce would be held up at the border.

This!^^

The ports of Rotterdam, Calais and the other EU ferry ports have already got a fair amount of the necessary infrastructure together and are training new customs officers, They are likely to be ready.
Thus a longer term customs situation is largely in place. What WILL be an issue for a period of time would be that ships and 'planes' would not be LEGALLY allowed to move as the existing conformance and hence insurance etc is held as part of the EU. A sudden 'crash out' will mean that NOTHING can move until new documentation to cover these aspects is in place. So, maybe a few weeks of NO transportation, then settling in to LONG queues and delays, possibly for ever.

can you see Audi Vw Bmw Mercedes CitroenPeugot and the rest not selling to us let alone Aldi Lidl and god kniws how many continental firms that would suffer badly. Id rather we didn't pull out and would vote remain if it was revoted but this is scaremongering. Just days ago there were warnings of no CO2 shortage of soft drinks beer salad etc but I've seen no shortages just offers and beer stacked high

Of course the upside may be that food and other products get cheaper within the EU because manufacturers might prefer to deal with people who don't mess about.

Why aren't they rioting? Because they don't fancy being kettled, tasered etc, for a cause that's already lost. We're well on the way to No Deal after the June summit deadline was missed, and the new and severely delayed white paper offers only the attempts at "cherry picking" which the EU has already rejected. We can't directly influence the outcome of the "negotiations", we can only look on in horror while the government filibuster and delay. Broadly, there are two kinds of people in Britain: those who realise that the only damage limitation possible is to get oneself and one's assets out of Britain ASAP and by March at the latest, and those who think everything will be fine. There's really no point arguing with the second lot.

The Co2 issue was a technical one not EU related. Co2 is produced as a 'by product' of fertiliser production, which slows down after the main crops are sown so they shut down plants for maintenance, unfortunately it wasn't well coordinated and almost all shut at once.
All apart from a small handful of 'niche' cars are manufactured partly in the UK as it (had) a decent workforce. If/when the manufacturers get hit by customs taxes and delays it removes the advantage of the UK labour force so the NEW manufacturing will go to the EU or elsewhere. It costs a heck of a lit to set a production line up so they are unlikely to stop for example the Mini and Nissans that are already being made in the UK but think long and hard about new models and where they would be built.

can you see Audi Vw Bmw Mercedes CitroenPeugot and the rest not selling to us let alone
A customer who f*s about, and can't buy and sell in agreed conditions, is simply that. Capitalism has no morality. That's kind of the point. However the EU is an economic and political bloc; can't have one without the other.

Any one who hasn't experienced hunger should know, how lucky they are, and most don't. Our great grand parents aren't necessarily around to tell us. But there are books.

Like all aspects of poverty hunger is an undeserved shame. And a silent death. Why else would it be used so much as a weapon of war?

In the Sun today.

says it all really.

Funny, I thought the Sun was a brexit paper too.

As the Gov are wanting to leave the EU, rulings on labour hours for those working in car plants etc may be forced into longer hours or reduced pay, just little 'side effects' of leaving that weren't highlighted on the ballot papers.

I really wish some brave Brexit supporter would definitively detail the benefits of an exit for ordinary people, not the Rees Mogg caricatures and those entangled with the Banking system or whatever Brexit might yield to them financially.

The day I read that RM moved part of this Capital enterprise to Dublin in order to avoid the worst of Brexit, was the day I really realised that the NON elites are being fucked over for their sakes.

I think I will be waiting for info from the Brexit people though! They are jingoistic arrogant people in my opinion. Led by the nose and totally hubristic. Will not end well. Of course they may just be stupid Sun readers also.

If you do not agree with me, argue the point with me. No soundbytes allowed lol.