To wonder why we aren't rioting in the streets?

[Danniz]

So:
The government is about to begin stockpiling processed food in case the country is plunged into chaos by a “no deal” Brexit.
In just over half a year the UK is going to be wrecked for decades to come. We're looking at rationing, for God's sake. Power cuts. Mass unemployment. The loss of our employment and human rights. The new Health Secretary has allegedly received 10s of 1000s from the head of a thinktank that wants to abolish the NHS. There is no plan for the future. Not even the most ardent of the Brexiter politicians that got us into this mess are pretending that we aren't looking at massive economic and social problems.
Isn't it time for us as ordinary citizens who, with our children, will pay for this fiasco to start demonstrating, meeting our MPs, doing anything else that might possibly help to stop this? I don't just mean the demonstration that took place in London, and the others around the country - I mean serious numbers of people, making their voices heard. Because we will all suffer the very serious consequences of this mess.

this is onl y going to work with compromise. not a strong point on mn where many can only cope with absolutes.

lots of people are neither geldof nor farage. remember that.

poster Frouby I could use fresh tomatoes....on,y if more of the U.K. is given over to polytunnels than it already is, and who is going to pick them?

Please, please read this:
www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/07/12/how-the-bbc-lost-the-plot-on-brexit/

If that was the case, then there is a question to ask to why Leavers feel they can go in the street to express their discontent but somehow the Remainers didn’t.

The very obvious answer to that is that peaceful decisions through democracy are the alternative to violence and disorder. Which is why we abide by democratic decisions, for everyone's good, and don't attempt to subvert it because that leads to violence and disorder. So leavers, remainders, Tories, libs, Labour, everyone understands we don't want that bad stuff.

If democratic representation is removed or subverted, the consequence is that violence and disorder, possibly war are required and legitimate to enforce lawful democratic process.

Just like if the law was abolished, we would have to fight thieves rather than dealing with it in a civilised manner. It's more the natural fall back than anything else.

Nobody wants this to happen except lunatics. It doesn't really matter who or what you vote for - if democracy is subverted it creates an unstable and dangerous environment for everyone.

Ha, we're remainders now. Natural consequence of division I suppose.

Crabapple maybe we could cook according to what's in season? Maybe we could freeze some tomato sauce? Maybe we could trade with a non eu tomato grower? Maybe even the EU might want to sell us tomatoes?

I voted remain. But a potential shortage of readymeals wasn't why I voted remain.

Be a prepper like me then this shit show doesn't hold as much fear. There's an MN Prepper topic. Take a look.
I prep for realistic setbacks like bad weather or unemployment or power cuts or water problems. I have the slightly more unrealistic stuff in there too. Which, at the moment, looks a tad more realistic.

If we suddenly can't buy any food what happens to the EU companies who was selling it? Do we really think the EU want to wreck their own economies?

You really don’t get it do you? It’s doesny matter what the companies want or what the EU countries want. If we leave without a deal, there’s no mechanism in place for the vast quantities of importing and exporting we do within the EU. That’s what a deal is - organising all that stuff.

I’m amazed the OP is being dismissed as a conspiracy theorist when the government stockpiling of food has been reported across every media outlet today - does nobody read the news any more? Bury your head in the sand and dream of our freedom?

The sad part is, a huge number of experts were lining up to tell us all the implications of Brexit on their area of expertise. Everything from the import and export of medications to food to the fact that we would have serious issues with flight safety laws overnight.

But that was all “project fear” - much better to believe a load of bollocks written on the side of a bus, apparently.

Most of the people I know who admit voting Leave are massively embarrassed now. Some are sticking their fingers in their ears and singing through the debacle but they’ll be embarrassed too.

A huge number of experts in business are still lining up to tell us the consequences and hinting at the plans they have made to leave, but they are still being told to 'get behind the country' and other such empty words.

Do we really think the EU want to wreck their own economies

This has to be my favourite argument from Brexiteers. They continually tell us how noble they are for not minding any amount of economic damage in their holy cause. Yet they expect economic rationalism to prevail in every other company.

Many EU countries will now be looking to source their supplies of goods from elsewhere. It's a nuisance for them if they were happy with the service from a UK company but not half as much of a nuisance for the UK company trying to find new buyers.

America isn't looking like our new best buddy so much now is it?

The point is not that we are going to run out of processed food, but that we are going to run out of food full stop. There is not enough british produced fresh food to feed everyone. They are stockpiling canned goods because they will keep. They can hardly stockpile fresh tomatoes. It's not being done to keep people in their junk food of choice, but to keep the country in food fullstop.

Processed food being stock piled because most of it comes from the EU?

A wild guess: it has a longer shelf life than unprocessed food without the need for energy (freezing). Tinned food is processed.

Do we really think the EU want to wreck their own economies

Sentences like this show an over inflated sense of importance.
EU countries won't wreck their economies by sourcing or selling elsewhere.
The UK on the other hand...

I "process" stuff I grow in the garden or which is on offer in shops so that I can store it without the freezer. But I'm a prepper and this is what we do.

Good (or not) the only Brexit that can be called Brexit (which the UK voted for) is one where we actually leave the EU!
Actually this is not what was said during the referendum campaign. EVERYONE was talking about having a new deal with the EU, not leaving the EU in a WTO rules and no agreement at all. Incl whatever B Johnson and M Gove said atbthe time.
This idea that only a hard Brexit with no link at all with the EU is the only way to do Brexit came AFTERWARDS when some fanatics/extremists decided it had to be that or nothing.

If we were following what people voted for , we would get a very different image.

Besides, I’m pretty sure that people didn’t vote to for more economic problem, no NHS, political turmoil, risk of seeing empty shelves in supermarket, no industry (eg car manufacturing) and generally poverty increasing.

The Brexit at any cost Brigade are terrified of another referendum because now the lies are exposed then in all likelihood the result would be different.

Calling a second referendum undemocratic is desperate.

Do remeber that Rees Moggs company has relocated jobs and work to Ireland so it can remain in the EU.

I often wonder why people can't see there is too many differences for any deal to be reached, we were always going to arrive at a no deal.
I don't post how I feel much as I always get told I am crazy, but the nearer we get the stronger it seems this is going to be the end result. WTO ... WTA.... And some new deals within in a very short time afterwards...
Even with the deal TM is offering the will be no deal on financial services

Agree SoloD.
Plus before the result Farage maintained that if Remain won by a narrow majority like 52% (yes he used that number) that the referendum should be re run. Funny he’s not said it since, but he is a banker who will profit from avoiding new EU anti tax avoidance rules coming in next year.

The U.K. can’t feed itself on what we produce. Lots of people can’t grow their own food. I don’t want to eat only what’s in season.. I have an allotment, it’s bloody hard work and the h7ngry gap would be very real without imported goods.

The ‘deal’ governs what comes in and out of Britain. It needs to be the right deal...

I voted remain because while the EU needed reform, it’s our biggest most credible trading partner.

The problem is there's no mandate for a specific route to Brexit. People voted for a whole mishmash of incompatible promises, without the politicians making them pledging to be held accountable and actually delivering what they were saying.
The other problem is the illegal activities of Leave.EU and Vote Leave, alongside financing and interference from the Russians. There are some very murky ulterior agendas going on.
I don't think anyone, whether they voted leave or remain, can think this is going anywhere good.

Good (or not) the only Brexit that can be called Brexit (which the UK voted for) is one where we actually leave the EU

No, there are lots of options:

Stay in the EEA
Stay in the customs union
Have an association agreement
Break all ties and become the 51 state of the US (read Rule Britannia by Daphne du Maurier, which is a novel based on the premise that the UK leaves the then EEC and the US takes over)

I still don't see how we can leave with no deal, you have to have a deal to know what to do with people, goods, services, everything. My view is that we don't agree a deal to leave, we have to stay in. There has to be a legal framework in place.

Motheroffourdragons
As it stands, we go into a 2-year transition phase, we still pay money to the EU, we still have to follow EU laws, but we have no say in those laws or how the money is spent. But things should carry on as normal.

But the problem is that transition is only agreed in principle based on a wider deal.

No one knows what happens if the deal fails.

What is likely to happen is that the ports all get blocked up either side of the channel as neither side has the facilities to customs clear all the goods and not enough preparation is being made.