To post on trans issues in the Feminist Chat forum?

[DadJoke]

I've been posting a lot on trans issues over in feminist chat. I am keenly aware that it's primarily a women's forum, for women to discuss issues pertaining to their needs. I also know that the presence of men in women's spaces can undermine useful discussions and become "all about the men"

When I say women, I include transwomen. I know many of you don't, but that's not at all what this AIBU is about.

So, am I making a useful contribution to the debate, or undermining it?

Gendered oppression is a real thing but the concept of gender identity does not oppress by itself. It's neutral. You might get oppressed because of your gender identity, but it's not inherently oppressive. Societal expecations around sex, gender identity and gender expression are oppressive. So, if you think that the term "gender identity" oppresses women, then I'd argue that I'm not explaining it well enough. It's no more oppressive than me saying you have a sexuality.

Gender identity completely relies on societal expectations. It’s very fabric is societal expectations. You cannot divorce the two.

Why are insisting on explaining YOUR views about what oppresses women? Stop taking up so much space. YOU are part of the issue.

Take up less space.

You liberal nonsense doesn’t allow you to be honest about trans identifying men, so you have inflated your disingenuous bullshit into an enormous, space stealing turd.

Stop. Taking. Up. So. Much. Space.

The contributions from the op on this thread are in danger of making me GC, and that’s really saying something.

Come on in @duckfuckduck the water is fine.

duck....yeah, I mean if you had to pick a side...?

Seems to me you posted here for validation and basically got your asrse handed to you. I find it very interesting how invested some men seem to be in telling women they are transphobes, especially when it turns out you think transwomen are women until there is something that would actually affect you, such as sleeping with one. So, while it doesn't affect you, you can tell women they are bigots, but when it does affect you you distance yourself from it all. Hmm.

What unpleasant and stupid posts from dadjoke.

No one should guilt or shame anyone into sleeping with anyone else.

But it's fine for men to guilt women in to having to share spaces with other men? Spaces where vulnerable abused women, or female prisoners will have to be naked, where young women and teen girls will need to change with men?

Might I just say fuck you sir. Fuck you and fuck the horse you rode in on.

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My thoughts precisely.

Has the insufferable oaf actually gone now? If so, thank fuck for that. I fear it'll be back though. Likely with its box of Kleenex in hand.

Apply for certain jobs as a woman. Ask for a quote from a car dealer as a women. Express an opinion online as a women. Be included as a name in research paper as a women.

Nah, that’s plain old sexism. A man named Sue (for instance) would have the same issues regardless of his gender identity.

The most important thing I've learned to day is the concept of gender identity is the fundamental point of philosphical contention. Everything follows from that. Accept that gender identity is innate like sexuality, and you accept transwomen are women. Consider it to be a belief or delusion and you don't.

Have you not listened to anything we wrote?

A man can wholeheartedly believe he has a feminine gender identity and is a transwoman. This could be innate somehow. If he chooses to present as a feminine person that's fine. Good luck to him. He is still not a woman.

Nah, that’s plain old sexism. A man named Sue (for instance) would have the same issues regardless of his gender identity.

Yes, OP tried to hijack that feminist cause earlier on when he shared a link to educate us about the trans issue of....suffering from pay drops when you become accepted as a woman. He apparently thought that a forum full of actual vulvas needed a link provided by His Holiness before they would know that this would happen.

Rebooting

Why are insisting on explaining YOUR views about what oppresses women?

I am literally answering questions that are put to me - and reading any other posts. I am not "insisting" on explaining anything. There is simply no need for anyone to read it or participate in it who doesn't want to.

Oh God it's nocturnal.

But don't you get it DadJoke? Why would a board mainly populated by women want a thread consisting of a fairly clueless random man answering questions about his largely irrelevant and self conflicting views about transgenderism and why he thinks we are wrong? It's a tad grandstandy don't you think?

There is an AMA topic. Maybe you'd be happier there.

Just make sure you don't get it wet or feed it after midnight!!

It’s a bit like every other penis in women’s spaces. Not wanted, but the owners still insist on barging in and having the right to be there.
Tedious.

Ereshkigal

But don't you get it DadJoke? Why would a board mainly populated by women want a thread consisting of a fairly clueless random man answering questions about his largely irrelevant and self conflicting views about transgenderism and why he thinks we are wrong? It's a tad grandstandy don't you think?

Then why on earth are you engaging with me? There have been a lot of posters on thread who have. I assume that when they direct questions to me they want answers. There are two bajillion threads on this forum - why are you here? I'm not taking up bandwidth, or forcing anyone to say anything. If it's fun or useful then stay. If it's a waste of your time, then by all means go.

And I don't think you all are wrong, I disagree with GC feminists who think transwomen are not women, and there are plenty here who do. In the main, those people are treated with disdain, mockery and contempt by many GC posters here.

The majority of recent posts were outpourings of relief it was over. Some made their points in bold. Some referenced turds. Others, horses.

Appears to have been presumptive, on balance.

Just read my post again. And let it sink in. Why be so self important?

and there are plenty here who do.

No one really thinks they are women. If they did they'd get the same disdain and lack of concern that women get. Instead you have people falling over themselves to pander to their every demand.

This guy is not actually serious is he?

Thankfully most men I know are allies to our cause and hate the idea of their wives, daughters, mothers etc being put at risk in their own spaces.

It's becoming tempting to post 400 smiley faces to bring it to an end.

But the answer is no. It's not fun or useful.

This isn't a frivolous issue for your amusement or entertainment, Mr Ego. And we entered chocolate fireguard country some time ago.

If anyone is leaving, it's you. Rather than you telling women to leave a women's forum. It's offensive to the extreme to even suggest it. But I'm not surprised, it's a continuation of the same theme of arrogance and entitlement that's run throughout.