To post on trans issues in the Feminist Chat forum?

[DadJoke]

I've been posting a lot on trans issues over in feminist chat. I am keenly aware that it's primarily a women's forum, for women to discuss issues pertaining to their needs. I also know that the presence of men in women's spaces can undermine useful discussions and become "all about the men"

When I say women, I include transwomen. I know many of you don't, but that's not at all what this AIBU is about.

So, am I making a useful contribution to the debate, or undermining it?

It always amazes me the number of people who protest they don't like MN and yet still keep coming back to complain. Why don't they go elsewhere and find a place they do like, which would be the normal response?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

I haven't read any of your posts nor do I intend to. Men are welcome here apparently and I don't necessarily have a problem with that. However, personally I come on here to get the opinions of a woman. If I wanted the opinion of a man I'd go and ask one of the 9 close male relatives I have or I'd go on Reddit.

From my own experience I don't think men have anything constructive to add to the trans debate because it doesn't affect them directly and so they don't have a problem with it and often even encourage the debate against women as it is another way to put women back in their box. Its like me putting my views forward about gay men. I am not one and their issues do not affect me and so I am unqualified to comment.

Morbid question OP? If someone attacked you or someone you loved and they found DNA and were looking for a man... because that was what the DNA established, but that person was living as a woman with an altered birth certificate etc, how the hell would that person get caught (providing they haven’t been caught after comitting any previous crimes?).

NoNo

I’ve had the start of a miscarriage in a public toilet. Thank god it was sex segregated at the time x

Nonotheresnolyrics

So sorry.

Shouldn’t have to fight for the right to a secure and private place, the men have one, why can’t we?

TypicallyNorthern

'From my own experience I don't think men have anything constructive to add to the trans debate because it doesn't affect them directly and so they don't have a problem with it and often even encourage the debate against women as it is another way to put women back in their box. Its like me putting my views forward about gay men. I am not one and their issues do not affect me and so I am unqualified to comment.'

So agree. Feminism is about females to so I'm not sure really what males can add to it. Probably not a lot unless they are genuinely supportive.

@NoNotheresnolyrics so sorry to hear that.

too not to...

What men like the OP do is waste the time and energy of women.

Has everyone looked at the public consultation re GRA reforms?

[[https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act-2004 It’s here - have your say]]

DadJoke, I asked earlier but you might have missed it, this thread is moving so fast. Or I might have missed your answer.

What RL professional or personal experience do you have with transgender people?

Dione

He is a man. Who demands to know how useful he is to feminists.

He needs no other qualifications.

Ah now Rebooting to be fair the OP said -

I am relatively well versed in the issues, but I am not qualified. Which is nice .

If you suspect that your lack of attraction to transwomen is "ingrained transphobia", do you therefore also see a lesbians' choice to reject transwomen as sexual partners as "ingrained transphobia" too?

If not, why not?

DadJoke you have got yourself in a right old pickle surely?

I would pity you if you weren't such an arse.

Your predicament is hilarious though.

“BeyondRadicalisationPortal When you say you "like vulvas" how do you describe the group of people that vulvas are generally attached to?”

“Female people.”

Or transmen. Would you have sex with a transman?

No Aus, he said before: he wouldn't sleep with a transman because they're men.
So he's not going to fuck ANY trans people.

So convenient! Still happy to boss women around.

Also jokedad have you popped over to a trans forum to chide them for their more extremist elements? If not, why not?

Ask them why they think ladybrain qualifies transwomen to participate in women's sports. Go on! Come back here to your personal thread of glory afterwards and let us know how you went.

So a man wants to know if telling women what a woman is and that they are being women wrong is annoying to women?

And seems to be surprised and offended by the answer

Jokedad has been very erasing towards non-binary identities in this thread... :(

@SimonBridges

I rather think he was hoping we’d duly trot off with our lady brains and see the wisdom imparted to us by a man.

Beyond

Joke has said he only considers vulva owners who strictly conform to gender norms as potential sexual partners.

He at least as transphobic as the lesbians who protested about their erasure at Pride.

Perhaps he should go on Twitter and have TAs crucify him and (incompetently) try and doxx him for the next few days?

So, dadjoke is straight but only likes women with vulvas. But transwomen are women and sex is socially constructed....

How do we make this work out...?

So there are women, divided into two types: those who dadjoke would arbitrarily potentially shag, and those who dadjoke would arbitrarily not potentially shag.

Do I win?

What do I win?!

Do I get respect from dadjoke and permission to have opinions without him telling me I'm wrong?

Who else has noticed that the op clearly priorities men. It’s always trans women THEN non trans women with him. We have become second class in our own gender

Men like Joke never grasp how offensive this is to women. It doesn't affect them as no one makes men a sub category.