To post on trans issues in the Feminist Chat forum?

[DadJoke]

I've been posting a lot on trans issues over in feminist chat. I am keenly aware that it's primarily a women's forum, for women to discuss issues pertaining to their needs. I also know that the presence of men in women's spaces can undermine useful discussions and become "all about the men"

When I say women, I include transwomen. I know many of you don't, but that's not at all what this AIBU is about.

So, am I making a useful contribution to the debate, or undermining it?

I supervise sex offenders in the community, and I can assure you that there are men who dress as women in Order to access female spaces and sexually assault women. I have met them, they are real, it has a name, autogenophillia. They are a threat to women, and we need the legal right to keep them out of women’s safe spaces. They may be a minority within the trans community, but they are prolific offenders.
I don’t give a shit what your stats say, no one is researching the clothing choices of sex offenders.

Op, what does a trans woman have in common with a natal woman, that they both do not have in common with a natal man?

Just one thing will do.

DickTERFin I’ve also learned that I’m not a woman I’m a ‘person with a vulva’

but I enjoy PIV sex too much to consider them as sexual partners

Eh? But some transwomen have medically made vaginas. So PIV is entirely possible isn't it. Or isn't it?? What on earth is the difference dadjoke. ???

there is strong evidence that most trans-identified people are survivors of child abuse with a horrifying 50% surviving child sex abuse, so ignoring the role trauma plays in this is to ignore an essential medical need to consider for our communities. Acknowledging that some/many/all of us aren't born this way doesn't make any part of it less valid.

Have you a reference for that research?

The sad thing is

That anyone posting about this in good faith would say

'Usually i would say that transwomen are women and not differentiate but as some posters on here are angry i will refer to women and transwomen'

But nooooo transwomen and non transwomen

There is a word for people for people like that and it doesn't rhyme with smurf

(I would leave it like that but feel I should clarify that the word ryhmes with hunt. I would hate for any confusion to be caused by my lack of clarity)

And it gave me another chance to share this...

And to add to that - the fact that even one of the biggest TRAs thinks the opposite to the TWAW mantra

And that even LM thinks that you can't identify as something you aren't...

I’ve also learned that I’m not a woman I’m a ‘person with a vulva‘

I’m really pleased I now know I’m a “non-transwoman” or a “non-man”

To the OP - What?

Many here see through you. Go take your piffle to someone who cares.

I have been utterly disgusted by the hatred of women at MN towards trans women. I wouldn't go near a discussion of it with such bigots.

NoNotheresnolyrucs

I bet she was pretty shaken up! Horrible that this is being allowed to happen, I couldn’t even finish my wee, I just felt to vulnerable.

It would be hard enough for me to fight off a man in optimum conditions, let alone when I had my knickers down, just such a dangerous and awful situation.

I would hope OP would change his tune if something like that happened to his wife or daughter etc but it shouldn’t have to come to that for us women to be allowed safety and privacy when using the bloody loo! However I doubt it, men like that rarely admit they were wrong. Luckily for them, they aren’t in danger due to policy changes, only the “people with vulvas” are. Disgraceful lack of empathy.

I have been utterly disgusted by the hatred of women at MN towards trans women. I wouldn't go near a discussion of it with such bigots.

super FairyDairyLand, off you pop

only before you go, it's not polite to call people bigots just because they don't disagree with you and not provide any supporting evidence

now we've got that learning point out of the way, ta-ta!

I’m disgusted by the hatred of women too.

You can't even flounce and mean it, can you?

Can't even do one, single, solitary post that doesn't demonstrate male entitlement to women's space and attention.

You really are a one-man advert for single sex spaces.

👏👏👏

I have been utterly disgusted by the hatred of women at MN towards trans women. I wouldn't go near a discussion of it with such bigots.

Why are you here then ? You're obviously carefully reading. Keep reading. You may learn something.

It’s an oldie, but a goodie.

FairyDairyLand Gosh. Women, having an opinion? It’s madness and shouldn’t be allowed.

or maybe it should be:

You really are a one non-woman advert for single sex spaces.

dadjoke has definitely fucked off

there's no earthly possibility of him reading without commenting

that would involve things going into his brain rather than coming out of his mouth....

If he loves the vulva so much and PIV sex then he should have no problems getting it on with a pre op trans man then.

Utter tool.

Nappa She was. I think gender neutral toilets are bollocks. I’ve had the start of a miscarriage in a public toilet. Thank god it was sex segregated at the time x