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To wonder what people mean when they say "Oh, I wish they'd just get ON with Brexit!"

213 replies

BertrandRussell · 11/07/2018 09:48

Because I have no idea how they would do that.

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PrincessoftheSea · 12/07/2018 07:35

They have had 2 years, but when you ask Brexiters how they think its going, they think you are a bore for still going on about BrexitHmm

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2018 07:42

The Brexit paradox:

If you want Brexit to be successful you have to do it gradually and slowly.

Trying to do it all at once is the eviqualent of driving along a motorway at 80miles an hour and then hitting a brick wall.

Trouble is the people who are driving the desire to 'just get on with it' fall into two camps: those ignorant of the details of law around Brexit and those who believe in disaster capitalism and will make a fortune and become even more powerful as the result of a car crash Brexit.

Every else are just passengers or by standers who are liable to be severely injured in the process.

It's interesting seeing leavers who want Brexit slowly waking up to this realisation only to see the disaster that is unfolding before their eyes. This isn't the Brexit they voted for.

There were many reasons people voted for Brexit. It was kept deliberately vague by the leave campaigners to win the vote.

Brexiteers in government have spent the last two years shouting about anyone who made amendments to the A50 bill or the withdrawal bill were traitors trying the hands of government in negotiations. The second they get a whiff that it's not what they want they try and do the same.

The 'will of the people' was a) never a single thing and certainly never quantified as meaning b) isn't something fixed forever and doesn't change otherwise we'd always vote the same at elections.

As for the 'vassel state' stuff, it's going to ring very hollow this week if Donnie does what I expect Donnie to do, and stick his big fat fingers in to stir the shit. And Johnson hasn't yet surfaced publicly so I'm kind of waiting for him to pop up as Donnie New Bezzie.

Anyway, it doesn't matter what you voted at this point. We've all been screwed and it was never going to work out differently. Not with a bunch of power crazed Tory MPs going nuts at the prospect of a potentional opportunity for power grab from the people.

Brexit has descended into the backstabbing fest of a Tory Leadership contest on steroids. As it always was going to because no one has ever defined what Brexit means beyond the assinine and meaningless 'Brexit means Brexit'. There were 17million versions of what that was and there never was a consensus. And the only one it's possible to reach is a majority of people thinking the eventual outcome is a stinking pile of turd.

Talkstotrees · 12/07/2018 07:46

My DH occasionally erupts with an “I wish they’d just get on with it!” - it horrifies me that he can say something so irresponsible and I challenge him over it. From what I can understand it comes from a feeling of impotence, frustration, anger and a desire for it all to be over.

This wishing it was over does not mean that he supports Brexit, as might be claimed by some.

frumpety · 12/07/2018 07:51

There will of course be transitional impacts - change is painful,. but people look to the longer term.

Blink never a truer statement said. It is a shame that, that isn't what the Leave campaign campaigned. I honestly don't remember anyone saying that it would be painful or hard or be a long term issue. Anyone who tried to point out any 'transitional impacts' were shouted down as Project fear. There was a reason that the gentleman running the Leave campaign was adamant that there was to be no plan or facts and figures, he said that Leave was an unwinnable argument !

frumpety · 12/07/2018 08:48

Having said that though, we are where we are, we can't turn back the clock and put in place all the things that should have been implemented if the UK was serious about leaving and we simply don't have the time to start doing it now.

The question put to the public was very clear , leave the EU or remain in the EU. Remain meant carry on as before. Leave meant leave. Not stay in the bits we like or find useful to us. It meant completely and utterly out. Unless there was a whole spiel on the back of the ballot paper that I missed. Pretending that the vote was more nuanced than that is ludicrous. Leavers knew what they were voting for, it was to Leave the EU, that was the question and they gave their answer.

Has anyone seen Boris Johnson ? He seems to have disappeared from view in a most uncharacteristic way. Surely he should be in full view explaining to the Leave voters how marvellous a no deal going to be for the country and its citizens.

Theworldisfullofgs · 12/07/2018 09:22

I told my sister it would take decades. She told me not to be ridiculous...

frumpety · 12/07/2018 09:31

It wont take decades to crash out with no deal, as voted for by Leavers , it will take decades to recover as pointed out by Leavers Smile

ConstantlyCold · 12/07/2018 09:32

Leave meant leave. Not stay in the bits we like or find useful to us. It meant completely and utterly out

Even if your assumption is true - that every leaver actively wanted to leave every aspect of the EU. There is absolutely no way you can argue that the British public understood how enmeshed the U.K. and EU are.

Most people did not fully understand the consequences of leaving. I know I didn’t.

frumpety · 12/07/2018 10:06

But Constantly that was the simple question they were asked, remain or leave. They voted leave. There wasn't another option on the ballot that said leave but remain in some parts of the EU as suits the UK. The democratic question asked was leave or remain. They won.

The fact that there has been any discussion about any sort of 'deal' with the allegedly undemocratic EU following a wholly 'democratic' vote in the UK is ridiculous. The vote was leave. Leave the EU. Every single part of the EU , all of it, cheerio , toodlepip, nice knowing you etc.

That was the question on the ballot paper, no nuance, no additional question, no soft or hard, no in the CU or SM or out of CU but in SM, no Norway or Canada. A very clear and simple do you think we should remain or leave. The majority voted to leave. Are we now saying that the majority didn't vote to leave ? that they voted to only leave a bit ?

Somerville · 12/07/2018 10:13

Are we now saying that the majority didn't vote to leave ? that they voted to only leave a bit ?

Every time I heard a leave politician asked "what about the will of the people with the GFA?" or "what about the will of the people for devolution in Wales and Scotland?" they said that an EEA-Brexit would mean that we wouldn't have to interfere in anyway with the results of those previous referenda.

NataliaOsipova · 12/07/2018 10:19

Someone indulge me here by playing along with this.

Isn't the point that the whole question was pretty fucking stupid in the first place? It's a bit like my asking you if you want to sell your house.

Do you want to sell your house? Yes or no answer please.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 12/07/2018 10:22

In that case the EU Referendom is pretty much the epitome of ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 12/07/2018 10:23

Referendum. Not sure what happened to the spelling there.

frumpety · 12/07/2018 10:41

And if the majority did in fact vote to only leave a bit , surely that makes the result nil and void, because it amounts to not answering the question asked which was a very clear leave or remain. So they won by not answering the question ?

CardinalSin · 12/07/2018 22:41

And just to catch up on something that I know about - Blink is lying has absolutely no idea what she is talking about in relation to banking and financial services.

We crash out, the City is fucked. That's why most of it has already expanded it's operations in Frankfurt, Dublin, Paris etc.. And there goes our tax take by a considerable percentage.

jasjas1973 · 13/07/2018 08:39

Leave meant leave. Not stay in the bits we like or find useful to us. It meant completely and utterly out

Even though i want the brexit vote to be made null and void, i do agree with this, we should leave and then negotiate a FTA just as we plan on doing with the yanks etc
that is clearly what the public voted for and thats what they should get, anything else is like electing a tory (landslide) government but then getting a coalition!
Then the nation will have what they want warts an all! if the opinion polls showed dramatic change then sure carry-on as we are going but they dont, so leave should mean leave.

GameOfMinges · 13/07/2018 13:17

The public did not vote for hard Brexit. They just didn't. That wasn't an option on the paper. The type of Brexit most acceptable to the population is the opposite of clear.

Mousefunky · 13/07/2018 13:23

The leave camp never had a solid plan and the remainers never imagined it would happen so didn’t bother to plan for it either. It’s a shambles. Many people who voted leave had no idea why or what they were even voting for. Not all but a fair few probably thought it meant we could close up shop so to speak the following day and possibly ship anyone originally from another European country back. I personally know a few people who literally voted for it to make England white again Hmm.

I do feel for some leave voters who believed the lies that millions would suddenly be saved and funnelled into the NHS. A lot of that money went to the DUP to keep the Tories in and they literally have no idea what they’re doing. They were sold a lie and these are the results.

Oakmaiden · 13/07/2018 14:43

following a wholly 'democratic' vote in the UK

Hilarious, really.

Theworldisfullofgs · 13/07/2018 15:27

Cardinal I asked my dsis who is a Director of Compliance of a multinational bank about what Blink said. Bollocks is the nearest and cleanest version of her answer.

frumpety · 13/07/2018 18:19

Game remind me again of the question asked of the voting public on the ballot paper ?

It was a simple IN or OUT question, soft Brexit , hard Brexit not mentioned at all. Of course there were a multitude of connotations that people may have believed they would be voting for when they put a cross in the leave box, but the question asked did not include any of these.

frumpety · 13/07/2018 18:40

And there were absolutely no guarantee's that any personal preference with regards to how the UK left the UK , would be accurately deciphered by the UK government.

The only thing that could be guaranteed was that Boris and Gove would look like they had been shit on at Christmas if Leave won !

To wonder what people mean when they say "Oh, I wish they'd just get ON with Brexit!"
GameOfMinges · 13/07/2018 19:20

I don't see any other Game in the last few posts so I presume you're addressing me frumpety. And you made literally the exact same point as I did. Apologies if you meant another game 12 posts in who I've missed and who was labouring under the delusion that they were voting for a particular type of Brexit.

frumpety · 13/07/2018 19:40

Lovely Game I was actually trying to agree with you , possibly labouring the point a touch too much Wink

GameOfMinges · 13/07/2018 20:05

Mmmm there are just soooooo many reasons why people voted Leave, and Remain too. The whole problem was the presentation of the issue as a binary option when it's anything but.

There are Leave voters who'd have more in common with Remainers than people in their 'own' bloc and vice versa. Even if you ignore obviously daft reasons like getting rid of all the Pakistanis, that's still the case. How on earth does a Leaver who voted because they want to join the EEA instead have more in common with a Hard Brexiter who's ideologically isolationist than they do with a somewhat sceptical Remainer? They don't! And there are Remainers who are more in favour of EU reform than people who voted Leave purely because they expected more NHS funding would be the result. Not all of those people were even particularly anti-EU on principle, some of them just thought if we're going to get more money for the NHS that's worth a Leave vote.