To think people genuinely hate England?

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Is anyone else sick of seeing the anger/hatred towards England in the World Cup? This 'anyone but england' mentality from almost every other country is disheartening honestly. I've seen every excuse under the sun, we haven't played a proper team yet, 200,000 signatures to re-play the Colombia match because apparently that wasn't fair, blaming a few rowdy fans for not wanting England to win. I'm especially surprised by the amount of Scottish/Irish/Welsh people who seem to feel like this (on social media) i know we'd so be routing for our neighbours if it was the other way round! So... AIBU to think everyone just friggin hates England?!

What’s that old favourite phrase trotted out by the media ‘England expects... ‘ ?

...their nearest neighbours to support the England football team?

.... That their neighbours should be grateful that they support them even when everyone says ABE?

Many hate the English for very good reasons to do with wars, colonisation

They really don't. Not in my experience. I haven't experienced any hatred from non-English people for things that happened a 100 years ago.

This idea that the English are hated around the world is a silly trope, and incorrect too.

The exception is Scotland, a country that was never colonised by England but which did engage in colonisation around the world. There is a huge strain of hypocrisy and historical illiteracy in Scotland. There is also an unwillingness among some Scots to accept that a country of 5m won't ever have as much economic and cultural clout as one with 50m, especially one as diverse as England.

As for Ireland and Wales; they are modern, prosperous countries with little to complain about, to be honest, but in my own experience, they don't anyway.

No no they don’t talk about England on Scottish tv - ITV overrides the franchise is STV to show England playing when Scotland are doing the same

And it’s mainly the national media like Sky news and BBC breakfast that mention the football at every given opportunity (sky news tonight interviewing Alistair Campbell about the resignations and gets asked ‘do you think England will win the World Cup

BULLSHIT. You have had hundreds of replies from Irish and Welsh about why the possibly don’t like England not just Scots ffs

@TomPinch

Can you really think of absolutely nothing from the 20th century?

Well said rose. Tom I direct you to a history of the 20c.

Totally agree with TomPinch- that is exactly my experience - that it really is only the Scots that have such a deep seated hatred which they find hard to disguise (if they bother at all).

^^ Martin Gilbert's? It's my holiday reading. I'm looking forward to it.

Yeahhhh the majority are Scottish tbf...

@longwayoff

It's unbelievable!

Our history certainly is awful. Whether or not you think that's still relevant today is something that can be debated, but honestly I'm thinking we should be discussing the obvious failure of the English education system.

How can you not think of anything Britain has done since 1918 that might cause resentment?!

And - before anyone jumps on me - I said Britain on purpose as some of these actions were endorsed by the whole union, and while it seems to have taken an anti-Scottish turn that was the original point of the thread.

Don’t bite stoorie, you’re being goaded.

Tompinch - that is hilariously ignorant to think that Irish and Welsh people would not have any problems with England's colonial history. The way Ireland was abused by England (and other parts of the uk) was horrific and it has a legacy. It doesn't mean that modern people are directly responsible but I think a little humility and understanding wouldn't go amiss in the present day.

I haven't RTFT but in case no one has mentioned it, did you hear the England commentator after the win against Sweden saying 'how good it is to watch the other team suffer' when there were tears afterwards. I doubt the team feel that way but commentary like that I think is really grim and part of why anti-English stuff is around in sports like you ask.

Counted them have you op? How many Irish and welsh posters have had the every hilarious ‘your team didn’t even qualify’ thrown at them?

I love how people talk about "The English abroad" when in fact they are referring to a stereotype of drunken, loud, boorish people - and ignore the countless other English people who go abroad and just have a regular holiday without all that behaviour.

I guess that no one else from the UK ever goes abroad, gets pissed and acts in a boorish way? Just English people? Or do they stick out more because most people from the UK who go abroad tend to be English (because there are more English people)

You’re right ahuman I shall refrain

@longwayoff

Ah I see now. It's ok to dislike England because.... history.

Why don't you start your own hashtag buzzword?

#NotAllXenophobia...

This is how I imagine some of the people posting here when faced with actual reasons why there might be some slight anti-English sentiment.

Nah, it's because the rest of us are just bitter and jealous that we weren't fortunate enough to be Ingerlush.

I haven't witnessed any hatred towards England this World Cup, but then again I don't have Facebook and whilst I am British, I am Caribbean and German by blood and have supported Germany also.

I did live in Scotland for a few years. Had a Scottish boyfriend who's mates wouldn't speak to me because I was English and were off with him about it (really weird, I'm a nice person!). I had people act differently towards me because I had an English accent, and whilst I worked in an Irish pub, I wasn't allowed to work during the last World Cup when England were playing, as the animosity towards England was so strong.

I experienced all of this, even though I am the first person in my family to be born as a British National. My ancestors had nothing to do with colonialism. I love Scotland and have never said a bad word about a Scottish person. I was called English scum by a drunk Scottish man on a night out simply because he heard my accent. I could go on...

My point is that it's not really to do with football. There's clearly a deep rooted hatred of the English which has been engrained in to SOME non English people. I don't even know if some of them have a real reason for being anti English, other than because that's what they were raised to be.

The way Ireland was abused by England (and other parts of the uk) was horrific and it has a legacy. It doesn't mean that modern people are directly responsible but I think a little humility and understanding wouldn't go amiss in the present day

My ancestors are Irish. Do I need to have some humility or can I be excused?

I've been called numerous less than complimentary names in England on account of my Scottish accent. When visiting my ex boyfriend in deepest darkest Kent, his parents told me NOT TO SPEAK at the local pub we visited. It works both ways as this thread has demonstrated.

And probably some of the Irish and Scottish people posting on here have English ancestors.

I guess they should feel guilty for what their ancestors did.

I have only just seen this from LetChildrenBeChildren from a couple of days back and couldn't leave it without commenting. I hope that you are still reading LetChildren

"On Saturday I was folloeing the commentary feed from a newspaper in my home country at the same time as I was watching the BBC. Besides the names, you'd think it was a different game.

"I saw nice regards to my home country's team from English fans today on Facebook - nice touch - but then they couldn't let it stay with that so they had to say nasty things about the Colombian team at the same time."

The Columbian team were an utter disgrace. They received six yellow cards but frankly one of those should have been a red card for violent conduct (when Barrios head butted Henderson). They also argued with the ref for a full three minutes over a clear cut penalty decision when Kane was all but rugby tackled to the ground (they then surreptitiously scuffed the penalty spot). Then one of their coaching staff shoulder barged Sterling as he was minding his own business leaving the pitch at half time - and when the ref spoke to the Columbian coach he simply smirked. After the match the Columbian national team claimed that the American referee was biased and FIFA had to issue a robust riposte. I can't think of another example of such shoddy behaviour by a national team in recent competitions so English fans are going to complain about that - it was an embarrassment!

Incidentally photos of the England team manager consoling a member of the Columbian football team who missed a penalty have gone viral.

Replace English with Pakistani, Jewish, Polish etc and all hell would break loose.

You do understand the difference, don't you? No? Oh, well...

I thought I would have to explain this...
Well, it's different when a powerful group dislikes or hates less powerful groups.
Hate or whatever you want to call it, is often what less powerful groups have left in relation to powerful groups.
That's why you can't use the reverse above, in the same way that you can't reverse white vs black, men vs women, etc