To think people genuinely hate England?

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Is anyone else sick of seeing the anger/hatred towards England in the World Cup? This 'anyone but england' mentality from almost every other country is disheartening honestly. I've seen every excuse under the sun, we haven't played a proper team yet, 200,000 signatures to re-play the Colombia match because apparently that wasn't fair, blaming a few rowdy fans for not wanting England to win. I'm especially surprised by the amount of Scottish/Irish/Welsh people who seem to feel like this (on social media) i know we'd so be routing for our neighbours if it was the other way round! So... AIBU to think everyone just friggin hates England?!

How would you like it if the English 'hated'' the Irish because of the many atrocities the IRA have performed?

The contempt with which Ireland and NI have been treated by England in relation to Brexit shows they still do hate us.

everythingsgoingtobealright Yes and yes, you are correct. What is your point exactly.

Just as a wee aside, I quite like the English. I might not be a football fan but db and dp are both supporting England in the WC.
There are genuine conversations around the UK set up that are valid and needed, but I'd never see that as a reason to abuse my southern neighbours

The contempt with which Ireland and NI have been treated by England in relation to Brexit shows they still do hate us

Not by England, but by elements of the UK government. Not the same at all.

You seem overly invested in the past

My Irish family make the point that the English (not the British) can never remember and the Irish can never forget.

Not by England, but by elements of the UK government. Not the same at all.

How many Brexit voters considered NI or the GFA when voting?

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No point really. I just find it funny that you started off ranting about how it was ridiculous how angry people are getting over England doing so well in the WC. Comparing people to religious extremists. Going on about how sensitive people have been.

And then you're getting this angry and sensitive over it... 😂

Many did and still do imwideawake! The UK government’s policy of internment (and sometimes torture) without trial was collective punishment, driven by a desire to get ‘revenge’ on all Irish people for the crimes of the IRA, just as IRA terrorism was driven by a desire to punish all British civilians for UK government policies.

There were crimes on both sides. The difference is that UK crimes were paid for by UK tax payers and endorsed by UK voters, technically, since they voted for Thatcher and therefore her hardline internment policies. Irish people were smeared as supporters of terrorism but in reality support for the IRA was always minimal despite what UK government propaganda told the British public. And the Irish government always disavowed terrorism and banned the IRA.

So if anyone is to be collectively hated for anything it should be the British - yes, that includes you, Scotland and Wales - voting public for their support of torture and internment in Northern Ireland. I get it though. I live in the US now under Trump and I understand that sometimes democratic governments do things that are abhorrent to many people. Not saying forgive and forget but just saying I can see now how horrific things can be acquiesced to when people do not pay attention.

But it’s ok, let’s all focus on the poor English soccer team who can’t persuade those horrid Irish to cheer for them at their Workd Cup games...Boo-hoo!

How many Brexit voters considered NI or the GFA when voting? How many individual voters voted for anything other than what they wanted to happen?

Sorry, I'm not going to waste my vote being guilted into voting a certain way because of something that was began in the 12th Century - by the Norman French, who colonised England at that time.

Oh... yes England has been invaded, conquered, colonised etc too, you know? But it is all history... an unhealthy place to live!

Not by England, but by elements of the UK government. Not the same at all.

Oh yes I forgot that Brexit wasn’t put through via referendum

And it wasn’t the U.K. government that were whingeing on FB, Twitter, MN about the Irish just being stubborn about having a hard border.

endorsed by UK voters, technically, since they voted for Thatcher and therefore her hardline internment policies... horrific things can be acquiesced to when people do not pay attention I think we can all agree on your conclusion about some political happenings (sorry, an't think of a better word for it!)

Sorry, I'm not going to waste my vote being guilted into voting a certain way because of something that was began in the 12th Century - by the Norman French, who colonised England at that time.

The Good Friday Agreement was signed in 1998. It brought relative peace to NI. Brexit threatens that. I don't think its unreasonable to ask people to consider this when voting.

I think the English team are playing phenomenally well, and for their sake, I hope that they win. It's a small but very loud subset of the fans that makes me not support England football in general.
Many moons ago I was in a pub in England when Ireland beat them. I'd had the same happen with rugby with no problems at all, but this time I had to be escorted out because of the abuse I (a 20yo 5' nothing woman) was getting from drunk and aggressive English fans... I was genuinely terrified, and it really tainted my view of England fans.
But a lot of the attitudes on here will be doing nothing to address to perceptions people have of the English!

Sorry, I'm not going to waste my vote being guilted into voting a certain way because of something that was began in the 12th Century - by the Norman French, who colonised England at that time.
Why are you going back to the 12th century fgs the poster was talking about NI and its border as it is today. Your ignorance and arrogance is astounding

Too many examples of continuing arrogance on this thread. Just shows the mentality. It's awful.

I'm French and French people don't hate the English at all. French people couldn't care less about England, they just want France to win the football!

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Cat photo. Pleeease. Just in any thread.

'm French and French people don't hate the English at all. French people couldn't care less about England, they just want France to win the football!

Same here in Portugal.

Particularly because we've beaten England every single World or European cup game since 1986, inclusive. Our foes are mostly France, Spain and Greece. Do not mention the Greek.

Just for you bellinisurge 😂

Thank you @KittyVonCatsworth

Brexit threatens that. I don't think its unreasonable to ask people to consider this when voting. You can ask.. but the referendum was never going to be about calm considered thought, by anyone on any side of the fence. Whatever the conclusion there were always going to be a lot of very unhappy people... which is why it was a stupid idea in the first pace.

Johnson's resignation letter refers to May's Brexit proposal as making the UK a "colony" of the EU. Such arrogance. And offensive to colonised nations.

@KittyVonCatsworth those are adorable