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To think this is an awful way to treat your recently widowed mother

535 replies

user1485342611 · 08/07/2018 16:07

My friend's father died a couple of months ago and her mother is understandably heartbroken. They had been married for over fifty years.

My friend lives a two hour journey from her mum and works full time but travels down as much as she can. She lives in a one room flat and has had her mum up to stay a couple of times but it's not ideal. She went to stay with her mum for a week in May and plans to do the same in Sept when she's due more holidays.

Her brother lives closer and is married with 3 kids. He and his wife are teachers and will be finishing work for the Summer in a couple of weeks. Their plan is to spend their entire holiday in a holiday house in Cornwall that they inherited cum bought out another relative's share a few years ago. My friend asked him if they would have their mother along for at least a couple of weeks of the holiday as it will get very lonely for her on her own, and my friend will only be able to get down at weekends. Her brother has said no, he and his wife are knackered after a school year and he's also had to cope with losing his dad so they really need these few weeks away 'as a family'.

My friend is really upset and I think her brother is being horrible.

AIBU.

I have changed a few details to ensure no one is outed, but this is the general gist of what is happening.

OP posts:
OneStepSideways · 08/07/2018 18:57

Also, I don't think it's the brother's responsibility to fix the TV, cut the grass or do odd jobs. Why doesn't she arrange for a gardener and an electrician to come and sort it? The sister could also arrange these things remotely if the mother feels unable to.

KokoandAllBall · 08/07/2018 18:57

so the brother is already doing the same or more. In her mind she is doing at least as much. I suspect that the brother has been there far more frequently and picking up a lot of the slack from that comment.

After latest update it doesn't seem so.

Women are expected to do more of the caring for elderly family members. I think the friend either needs to get the mother moved up to her area (expect the brother to be extremely interested in details of a house sale) or she needs to move down there.

KokoandAllBall · 08/07/2018 18:59

Why doesn't she arrange for a gardener and an electrician to come and sort it?

A woman who had been married for 50 years probably relied on her husband to do the "male jobs" and never had to.

yogaginrepeat · 08/07/2018 19:03

"A son's a son until he gets a wife...". Bollocks. My father is currently Main carer for his two elderly parents, both of whom have dementia. He could not be more dedicated to them; he truly appreciates all they have done for him throughout his life. Mid sixties, health problems of his own, AND a wife Hmm he's shown me what it is to have true compassion and unconditional love; I am grateful every day to be raised in a family with such values. In other countries it's the norm to care for the elderly, society would benefit a lot from being more compassionate.

From what we know in this thread, the brother is being a selfish arse. So he "deserves" six weeks away after working all year. God forbid his recently-bereaved mother should share in that. Chances are she also made maybe 20 years + of sacrifices for him.......

Shumpalumpa · 08/07/2018 19:06

Sounds like 'burden' is falling on default female child.

If there is no backstory (e.g. OP's friend is not the golden child) and this behaviour continues, I hope the mum writes the son out of her will.

MachineBee · 08/07/2018 19:10

We lived closest to my MIL and tried to visit most weekends. It became quite difficult in the last few months before she moved into a home as she was a hard lady to help. Her other DCs lived some way away and one lived abroad.

Despite everything we did for her and no matter how frequently her only DD came over (4 hour round trip for her), we had to listen to MIL complain her DD was ‘hopeless’ and never visited, and the only person who did anything for her was my DH, despite me,DH, SIL and other BIL cooking, cleaning, shopping and mowing the lawn.

I felt really sorry for my SIL and BIL who really did a lot but it wasn’t acknowledged. MILs eldest DS is now doing the most stuff for her as he’s her attorney, but my DH is still the favoured one who gets all the appreciation. It drives him nuts as he can see how unjust it is.

duckfuckduck · 08/07/2018 19:14

My dad actually told my auntie he never saw anyone and was on his own all the time.

it was a lie. I was there 3 x a week including all day sunday from 2pm to 9pm and nights after work from 7.30-9.30 (and I had a 90 min each way commute to work and am a single parent) and my kids called in to see him.

InfiniteVariety · 08/07/2018 19:17

Is the mother very elderly? Or young enough still to be working herself? Does she have plenty of friends of her own?

QuinquiremeOfNineveh · 08/07/2018 19:17

There seems to be a lot of talk about what the daughter should do and what the son should do, but no mention of what the mother wants to do. Has anyone actually asked her? Or is everyone (including on this thread) assuming that because she's elderly and bereaved, she doesn't get to make her own decisions, but should just do whatever other people think she should do?

gobbynorthernbird · 08/07/2018 19:21

I am (currently) 23 years into making sacrifices for DD. I chose to do that. She doesn't owe me a damn thing.
I really hope she doesn't feel endebted to me if I'm ever in the same position.

Tinkobell · 08/07/2018 19:29

I think it's unfair that your friend should try and stitch up her brother (much of the practical care would fall on his wife's plate) with the holiday of the widowed mother. What's to stop your friend taking her mum away to a nice seaside B&B for example?

StarbucksSmarterSister · 08/07/2018 19:31

Tbh, the Mum needs to start to make plans to help herself get over her Husband's death

Ridiculous comment. She's been a widow for 8 weeks..

TBH, she will never "get over" the death of her husband of 50 years. She may, in time, come to terms with it but the idea that she should join the local book group or something at this stage is absurd. At least it is to those of us who've been bereaved.

As for whoever mentioned getting a gardener, maybe she can't afford one?

SoddingUnicorns · 08/07/2018 19:33

Loneliness is brutal, my dad commented on that the other day when he got irritated at me “fussing”. I apologised for fussing and he said that at least someone called him every day to ask how his day went, and that it wasn’t completely pointless to exist.

greendale17 · 08/07/2018 19:35

YANBU, I completely agree with you OP

Sorry, I've seen too much of this over the years. So often, I have seen one sibling get lumbered because other sibling(s) will do sweet jack shit to help look after the ageing parent.

^This

Goodenoughiam · 08/07/2018 19:36

It is not about being indebted and family should never countenance these terms to describe their love, devotion and sacrifice for each other. How cold to describe love, care and sacrifice as indebtedness.

I'm from outside of the UK and I am really amazed at the attitude towards the elderly in this country. I don't think I'll ever understand it.

chillpizza · 08/07/2018 19:55

The thing is nobody not even the ds will know exactly what db is doing for their mum. He could be there every single night or he might not be because he thinks his dm is coping. If she’s not willing to ask about the tv he can’t fix it can he. We know his there every weekend that his ds isn’t so on that basis they are pulling equal weight without knowing what other little bits like grabbing the milk etc he might be doing.

I don’t think anybody has any right to expect someone to take them on holiday though, if she needs daily care then his doing much more than his ds and deserves a break. If she doesn’t then it’s no problem him being away. He could still ring her everyday so that she has some contact. You don’t know how his children are coping with the death of their grandad it might be that they have gone to bits so this 6weeks of just them is to get away and make the children better.

mathanxiety · 08/07/2018 20:08

Bereavement affects everyone differently.

I suspect your friend's focus on her brother's behaviour is deflection:

There are times in the natural grieving process for the individual to feel frustrated, trapped, and hurt. It is common to have those churning emotions surface and be directed toward someone or something. When pain dominates the feelings, it is natural to look for someone to blame. Being angry is a way of releasing energy, of protesting a loss that does not make sense or seem fair. Even though deep down one understands that anger is not logical or justified, emotions are rarely logical.

Once the individual has stopped denying that the loss has occurred, the reality of the situation begins to set in, bringing additional confusion, frustration and pain. The mind and body begin to deflect the pain, expressing it instead as anger. The anger may be aimed at an inanimate object – like punching a wall or kicking a trash can. It may be aimed at people; complete strangers, friends or family members. On occasion, the anger may in fact be aimed at the deceased loved one, emotionally distraught because they left us. Anger often is a cyclical process. One feels guilty for feeling angry, which of course only leads to feeling more anger.

Are there things that can be done to assist in coping with this anger?
Here are a few suggestions.

First, try to understand if there is resentment or disappointment that is fueling the anger. Perhaps there were expectations that friends would be more sympathetic. Resentment can occur when one person seems to have gotten over their grief more quickly. How many of the angry feelings are directed to people who did not live up to expectations during the time of loss? Were there things that were expected to happen that did not? Were the expectations reasonable? What are possible reasons that people reacted as they did?

Second, discover ways to release the angry feelings in appropriate ways that will bring no harm to any individual. Some people find that release through physical activity. Sports, physical labor, or intense exercise may help in processing and releasing the anger. Others may find that a creative outlet – music, art, or writing – may be the perfect way to express things that are often inexpressible. Don’t hesitate to reach out to others for support.
www.econdolence.com/learn/articles/second-stage-of-grief-anger/

The brain works differently when grief enters your life. The need to control can rear up and destroy relationships. People get wrapped up in their own emotions and communication comes a cropper. Families can spiral into animosity with all of these factors at play.

The sister needs to ask herself if she is being reasonable or if what she is feeling and perceiving are part of a predictable pattern of grief and self protective anger. It's sometimes easier to sit with anger than to sit with the pain of loss and the anxiety about an older parent, plus anxiety related to the future.

What is the brother to do apart from cutting the grass and maybe handyman jobs that he may or may not be any good at (most people farm out a lot of repairing/painting/fixing TVs, etc)? Is he to also bring over food - what your friend is most likely asking there is that his wife prepares food for her MIL.

Same goes for items like the broken TV - can he nip over on an evening to fix a TV or sort the issue when he has children, their schedules, piles of homework and prep for his classes to do nightly?
Is he to foist evening childcare on his wife (who probably has homework to mark and lessons to prep for her next day on top of the DCs' activities or bedtime) so he can go to fix a TV, all unplanned?

I also suspect that he cuts the grass on his weekend, and it then grows in the intervening time, so your friend sees grass not freshly cut. It would be knee high or higher if he never did it.

Wrt 'I don't like to ask Brother' - grieving parents are not always fair in their expectations of what children will do, and not always honest in their account of what individual children do. When talking to each child, an older parent may give one an impression that they are fine, need no help, all is well, when actually there is a list of stuff that the parent is going to ask the other child to do. Then they may badmouth one child to another, or point out things the other child has not done. A cycle of blame and recrimination and guilt and anger is fueled.
Grief affects everyone differently.

Ultimately, it might be best to help the mum get back on top of her own life - back to shopping, cooking, managing her own time, maybe connecting with resources for senior citizens and branching out into a new social life.

LifeEhFindsAWay · 08/07/2018 20:15

I think a lot of people here have been lucky enough nog to grow up in a dysfunctional family. Absolutely no one should be guilted into taking a family member on holiday. Under no circumstances. I love going on holiday with one parent. I want to, no sense of duty here. The other one, not so much. In fact, I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. I also have many family and friends I love but would never go on holiday with, under no circumstances. Because it would not be a holiday and would take the last of any reserves I have.

I'm sure I get judged but I don't give a fuck because I am not a martyr. Nor do I judge people by my own, limited, worldview.

LifeEhFindsAWay · 08/07/2018 20:15

*not

AnneElliott · 08/07/2018 20:17

Based on the op, I think the brother is BU. Seems harsh not to spate 1 week out of 6 for his mother.

SunnySkiesSleepsintheMorning · 08/07/2018 20:25

Out of interest, how old is the mother and is she frail or otherwise unwell? I’m putting the bereavement aside for a moment.

RainySeptember · 08/07/2018 20:43

*If she doesn't [need daily care] then there's no problem him being away
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Bereavement doesn't necessarily mean she needs someone to cook for her or remind her to take a shower, although it might. It is about showing them love, they matter, they're not alone, they're still wanted.

*Why doesn't she get a handyman
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At eight weeks? Come back when you're two months into losing your spouse of five decades and let us know how all those practical decisions are going. At the moment she doesn't care if the house collapses around her, she needs other people to care, for now.

None of this needs to be a forever thing. Practical things (like a handyman) will be put in place, she'll get accustomed to her own company, she'll force herself into friendships and social situations. A year from now nobody will need to visit her so frequently or invite her to their holiday house for a week to get her away from the same four walls.

Maybe DIL doesn't like her
So what. She's family and she's hurting. You do what's right, it's a tiny fraction of your holiday/year/life but makes the world of difference.

Bluelady · 08/07/2018 20:47

I think a lot of people posting here have zero experience of bereavement or grief. A woman who lost her husband of 50 years eight weeks ago will be on her knees. Talk of "getting over it" at this point is just crass.

Atlastatlastatlast · 08/07/2018 21:06

When my father died my mother CV would barely leave the house for weeks and lost all interest in cooking for herself. She needed a lot of emotional support from her children. Thank God my siblings aren't cold hearted, 'not my responsibility' types like some of the selfish people on here.

Atlastatlastatlast · 08/07/2018 21:08

could barely leave the house.