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To think this is an awful way to treat your recently widowed mother

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user1485342611 · 08/07/2018 16:07

My friend's father died a couple of months ago and her mother is understandably heartbroken. They had been married for over fifty years.

My friend lives a two hour journey from her mum and works full time but travels down as much as she can. She lives in a one room flat and has had her mum up to stay a couple of times but it's not ideal. She went to stay with her mum for a week in May and plans to do the same in Sept when she's due more holidays.

Her brother lives closer and is married with 3 kids. He and his wife are teachers and will be finishing work for the Summer in a couple of weeks. Their plan is to spend their entire holiday in a holiday house in Cornwall that they inherited cum bought out another relative's share a few years ago. My friend asked him if they would have their mother along for at least a couple of weeks of the holiday as it will get very lonely for her on her own, and my friend will only be able to get down at weekends. Her brother has said no, he and his wife are knackered after a school year and he's also had to cope with losing his dad so they really need these few weeks away 'as a family'.

My friend is really upset and I think her brother is being horrible.

AIBU.

I have changed a few details to ensure no one is outed, but this is the general gist of what is happening.

OP posts:
GeorgeIII · 11/07/2018 15:48

Well the DM brought up the DB so must have had some input into how he turned out.

AnElderlyLadyOfMediumHeight · 11/07/2018 15:51

BatShitBuns, I feel like your MIL. The last thing I want when I'm older is my dc putting their own lives on hold to dance round me.

I care for them because I love them and love being a parent. They won't owe me anything.

Through pertinent experience I am with those on this thread saying you never, ever know what has gone on so you shouldn't judge.

BatShitBuns · 11/07/2018 15:59

BatShitBuns, I feel like your MIL. The last thing I want when I'm older is my dc putting their own lives on hold to dance round me.

But the thing is that's not what it is, is it. My mother is part of my life. I see her every week. I speak to her every day. I live half an hour down the road from her. It's just normal in my culture. I don't feel like it hinders my life at all. It doesn't hinder my life in any way shape or form.

I personally think we are raising a generation of very selfish entitled young adults with no sense of family responsibility. I used to see it all the time when I worked at a university.

I don't expect anything from my son. But if DH had died and I was on my own and he couldn't be arsed to spare a few days out of his holiday to check I was ok? Yes, I would be disappointed. Because I am hoping to raise him as a kind and empathetic person!

yogaginrepeat · 11/07/2018 16:05

No one has said that @BatShitBuns - what posts have you read that said everyone should be at their parents' beck and call?! Ffs this post is about a mother who has lost her partner of 50 years, and whether it's reasonable to expect her children to help her through the bereavement.
I'm sorry for those who have had abusive relationships with parents but this is the exception, not the norm. As so many others have said, this selfish, entitled society we're witnessing is dreadful, and there are so many examples of it on this thread. Truly awful to see.

PirateWeasel · 11/07/2018 16:06

This probably won't go down very well, but I don't think either sibling is 'responsible' for their mother. Showing her support and kindness is one thing, but she doesn't need a babysitter all the time. It sounds like your friend is doing an amazing job keeping her company at weekends, but sooner or later mum will have to learn to cope with day to day life again. Maybe the brother doesn't want to start something that mum then comes to rely on long term. But I do think it would have been a nice gesture for the brother to leave a week or even just a long weekend to spend with both your friend and their mum, for the sake of solidarity and bonding.

BatShitBuns · 11/07/2018 16:06

No one has said that @BatShitBuns* - what posts have you read that said everyone should be at their parents' beck and call?! Ffs this post is about a mother who has lost her partner of 50 years, and whether it's reasonable to expect her children to help her through the bereavement.
I'm sorry for those who have had abusive relationships with parents but this is the exception, not the norm. As so many others have said, this selfish, entitled society we're witnessing is dreadful, and there are so many examples of it on this thread. Truly awful to see.*

Erm I think you've mixed me up with someone else, I'm on your side Confused

User02 · 11/07/2018 16:14

Batshitbuns Family is important in my culture too. Younger people seem to disregard their culture.

People are very quick to make the most of what they see as their parents being bad. They expect help financially and also to inherit. They act entitled and selfish but that could become worse as the generations go on. What will be expected when they are the elder generation.

Bluelady · 11/07/2018 16:15

Yes, it was someone else who said that. How these people will be treated when they get older is an interesting point.

My next door neighbour's ils were in a care home just up the road. Her husband visited them on Sundays and Wednesdays. She told him the mid week visit was unnecessary, it didn't need to be every Sunday and wouldn't have them over for Christmas Day. I did wonder then that, with her as a role model, how her son will treat her in old age.

wonkylegs · 11/07/2018 16:26

These kind of threads show how much people can often only visualise how other people's families when relating to their own experience.
Not everybody gets on with their families, not everybody wants or even needs families on their doorsteps, not all parents are saints that give their lives up for their children, not everybody has perfect lives that can drop or accommodate other family members at the drop of the hat even in dire circumstances, some people have their own shit to deal with.

My mum has Alzheimer's, the number of people who think I should be their for her 24/7 is unbelievable (including my own family members) - most do not understand my mother and I have had a rather unpleasant relationship over the years (she can be a really nasty bitch - although the Alzheimer's has tempered that I cannot forget the past), most do not understand that I am disabled (not always visible) and my own health is really difficult at the moment , I have my own family (dh & young kids) to deal with, my own company to run, in-laws also with ill health require input .... I do what I can for her (as an example for my kids and I feel sorry for her) but that doesn't mean spending lots of time with her.
Support can mean different things to different people, grief can mean different things too as can comfort.
He may be selfish but he might just be dealing with things his own way, offering support in a different way or even not coping himself, he may have relationship issues that wouldn't take the strain or be stressed, depressed or ill.

I think you can only judge your own actions in these situations and do what you can do.

yogaginrepeat · 11/07/2018 16:41

Whoops @BatShitBuns - apologies! My comment was for hobnobs.

BoneyBackJefferson · 11/07/2018 17:05

RainySeptember
So, as a % of her down time, she couldn't do any more.

Actually she could do more, at the moment she seems to do very little.

In-fact if we take the the posts at face value she does as much as her DB but she doesn't want the "responsibility" of the "burden" during the weeks that her DB isn't there.

Bluelady · 11/07/2018 17:08

She's a two hour train journey away and travels down as much as she CAN, what more do you want from her?

hobnobsaremyfavourite · 11/07/2018 17:46

Do you know what
I hope I have a really good relationship with my kids when I’m older
I hope every day that the horrific damage my mother did to me is not repeated
Having people basically say that I almost deserve for my kids to abandon me because I won’t have a relationship with my mother is something that terrifies me. I am terrified of repeating patterns that have gone through the generations
I am the least entitled person on the planet but I won’t let my mother destroy my children as she destroyed me
And if my kids desert me in my old age well hey I probably deserve it don’t i

User02 · 11/07/2018 18:06

Hobnobs you speak very much against your mother but you must also have had a father. He had a responsibility to take of you as well as your mother. How does he fit into your life?

RainySeptember · 11/07/2018 18:25

Boney, well if you think 50% of your days off are still not enough, I assume you think the DB should be inviting her for three weeks minimum.

She gets four days off per fortnight, and spends two of them doing a four hour round trip to see her Mum, and 50% of her annual holiday allowance has already been spent with her mum too.

yogaginrepeat · 11/07/2018 18:57

Hobnobs you're projecting your entire history and family relationships on this particularly scenario, when the likelihood is very different. No one is saying the things you've stated they have, or if similar has been said, it's in an entirely different context.

hobnobsaremyfavourite · 11/07/2018 19:23

My dad was abused by my mother as well
I’m hiding this thread
It stirs up the most horrible feelings for me

User02 · 11/07/2018 19:49

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QuackPorridgeBacon · 11/07/2018 21:37

Harsh User02 people handle things differently and shouldn’t have to face what they feel they cannot manage.

Why is it being questioned whether her father was really abused or not? Would you question if it was the mother? They don’t all flee and some do without their kids.

mathanxiety · 11/07/2018 22:43

She also asked her brother if there was any chance he could do four weeks in Cornwall and be around the first week and last week of the holidays and she'd get down her two weekends and it wouldn't be so long for the mother without family. But he said 'no'.

Four weeks in Cornwall is a whole month. The friend's plan is to do two weekends out of the whole summer. This on top of every other weekend that the DB does.

I actually think the friend is a bit of a CF in this situation.

And there is no indication that the mother needs minding like this, nor in fact any mention of what the mother wants.

Bluelady · 11/07/2018 23:02

She doesn't need "minding", she needs company and support. Which should be obvious to anyone with an atom of empathy, given that the poor woman lost her husband of 50 years just eight weeks ago. Some of the posts on this thread are just ludicrous.

mathanxiety · 11/07/2018 23:26

Does she though, Bluelady? Nowhere is that stated by the OP.

She mentions meals and lawn mowing but not whether the DM is able to cook or might like to cook, or needs support or hand holding.

Sometimes getting back to doing your own cooking, cleaning, shopping, and in general establishing your own routine can help you get back on your feet.

Additionally, it can be jarring to an older person to have a lot of continuous contact with preteens and teens too, especially if going through grief. The OP has not said much about what the DM might feel about four weeks of close contact with children at an age when they can be inconsiderate, stroppy, cheeky, eye-rolling and quite unpleasant company.

An aunt of mine lost her H two years ago (married in 1966). Her two children have helped her out quite a bit as she is living on a farm - this was their routine for many years anyway despite both having jobs, one involving travel, and one holding down a job while doing an engineering degree and having four children in about eight years. My aunt found she wanted her own space though, so after a month started to turn down invitations to dinner and outings and definitely shuddered at the idea of a holiday - she felt she would cramp the style of the children, ranging in age from preteen to baby, the DCs' cars would only fit their families - four children plus car seats in one and two in the other very compact car and my aunt is an amply endowed lady, so she would be left in a rented house all day by herself if they went on an outing and wouldn't even have the comfort of her own surroundings or the possibility of a friend dropping in for a cuppa. Not every child wants to go to a beach every day, and the weather isn't always beach worthy. Elderly people don't always feel up to sitting out all day in the sun on a beach either. Loos are few and far between, often in an atrocious state.

My aunt is 87 this year so 85 when she was widowed. Her idea of dressing for a day in the city with my mum is the kind of clothes people wore in the 60s if they were nicely turned out - smart and uncomfortable shoes, good looking mac or coat, fancy handbag, makeup, cloud of perfume, hair sprayed firmly into place. I very much doubt she has a stitch of clothing that she could wear to a beach.

I don't think either the friend or the OP have thought this through at all.

The friend sounds like someone doing some shit stirring in the emotional aftermath of bereavement. This is how some people cope with the emotions associated with losing a loved one.

It's understandable to have irrational thoughts and to have unreasonable, strong emotions after a death - I think the OP should see the feelings/venting of her friend in that context, but should not give any of the complaints much weight.

Rollonweekend · 11/07/2018 23:56

I understand the brother needs a break. But out of six weeks surely he could spare a couple of weeks for his mother?

I would agree with this point of view.

ladymariner · 12/07/2018 00:08

She doesn't need "minding", she needs company and support. Which should be obvious to anyone with an atom of empathy, given that the poor woman lost her husband of 50 years just eight weeks ago. Some of the posts on this thread are just ludicrous.

This!!

Shocked at some of the comments on this thread....some of you need to remember you too will grow old one day, and its no fun.

bathildab · 12/07/2018 00:20

I agree with you OP. Completely.
And from observations in my own wider family, it is not unusual. But yes not a lot you can do. Reminds me of the old adage about a daughter being a daughter for life and a son is a son until he finds a wife.

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