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Hairless foofs

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Ginismyfriendx · 06/07/2018 01:02

So can't sleep and watching naked attraction (please do judge me, I deserve it)
Are completely bare foofs a thing now? Having had a nasty experience of an ingrown hair from shaving bikini line (which required anti-biotics) why go through that? Nevermind the faff. Who want's an evening shadow on their lady bits?
All for a bit of pruning, but uprooting?

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EstrellaDamn · 06/07/2018 12:31

Yeah, let's imagine how that therapy would go.

"I said on an internet forum that there's a link between hairless fannies and paedophiles."

" ... erm, you're entitled to your opinion ..."

JJS888 · 06/07/2018 12:37

My opinion is that they are total idiots. Same sad little people trot out for every thread. And sometimes they really can be very nasty. I genuinely think some of these women have a worrisome obsession with these comparisons. There.was.one particular nutcase, ice something who used to be really nasty about men whose partners shaved. She's gone now thank God. Weirdo.

AvtarRamKaur · 06/07/2018 12:39

"Scientists call abnormal preoccupation with a perceived defect in one's appearance Body Dysmorphic Disorder or BDD. In July 1996 the annual meeting of the Royal College of Psychiatrists was told by David Veale of the Royal Free Hospital: 'These [BDD] individuals are very socially handicapped. There is a high rate of depression and 25% have attempted suicide ... Michael Jackson seems to be a clear case of BDD. He has had over 30 cosmetic surgery operations and his ex-wife Lisa Presley has said he would never take off his make-up, even in bed.'
What is pathological behaviour in a man is required of a woman. A bald man who wears a wig is a ridiculous figure; a bald woman who refuses to wear a wig is being stroppy and confrontational. Women with 'too much' (i.e. any) body hair are expected to struggle daily with depilatories of all kinds in order to appear hairless. Bleaching moustaches, waxing legs and plucking eyebrows absorb hundreds of womanhours. A woman who disported herself in a bikini out of which a bush of pubic hair sprouted would be regarded as a walking obscenity. No one would say that the woman who puts herself through the agonising ordeal of hot-waxing her bikini-line must be suffering from BDD.... Every issue of every woman's magazine exploits women's anxiety about 'unwanted hair'. Readers are not counselled to love their ahiriness but to resort to depilatories or electrolysis and even to check that they don't suffer from the very rare thyroid disorder that causes hirsutism."

-The Whole Woman, Germaine Greer

We are products of our society, whether we are going along with the cultural norm or kicking against it. There's really no need to fight each other or call each other names, but there is a need to fight against societal expectation of what a woman ought to look like.

Roussette · 06/07/2018 12:39

Not as dramatic as suggesting any partner of a shaver is a paedo. Same old people trot it out every time. Its really offensive and frankly disturbing that they feel it necessary to make that connection. They need help

Who said that on this thread, I haven't seen it. And what's 'old people' got to do with it??? I'm old in your book probably

BertrandRussell · 06/07/2018 12:43

“And sometimes they really can be very nasty“

Yes, suggesting that other women are dirty and smelly is pretty nasty.

JJS888 · 06/07/2018 12:45

Same old as in tedious, repetitive, boring. Not as in aged or self defined forum royalty. I was abused on this subject by icebeing severely and I do feel strongly about the casual way people can suggest really awful things on a website. And these posts are written by goady bored people, same as baby ear piercing.

Rinceoir · 06/07/2018 12:45

I’ve had mine every way. DH couldn’t care less how it is. As a doctor I’m concerned that I’m quite frequently seeing young women who think they are abnormally hairy for having pubic hair beyond what an extended bikini wax leaves. That’s due to social conditioning, not personal preference.

Grandmaswagsbag · 06/07/2018 12:58

All of this ‘it’s just body hair’ is all very well but where does it stop when people feel their vaginas have to conform to a ‘look’? I know a girl a bit younger than me who had her fanny flaps trimmed on the NHS!!! On the frickin NHS! Simply because she was so self conscious beacause the guys she’d slept with had commented on it. Thats coming from somewhere and I do think we adult women underestimate the pressure younger women feel to look a certain way (and yes it does seem massively influenced by porn). I realised after this conversation with her I’d happily lived my 30 year life with massive labia absolutely none the wiser that my fanny is meant to look a certain way. If I’d been one of those unlucky enough to encounter men who build their view of what genitalia look like solely from porn rather than encounters with actual women I could have been that girl.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 06/07/2018 13:05

"More importantly, why would anyone want their genitals to look prepubescent? In my mind, there is something very wrong in this, particularly when men prefer this look. This is not healthy physicaly or psychologically. It is not at all the same as shaving armpits or legs, it is sexual"

@Confusedbeetle - I can only speak for myself, but whilst I know dh likes me shaven, I am 100% sure it is not because I look prepubescent - my foof is a very small part of all of me, and the rest of me looks fully grown up - heading for old and wrinkly - and I genuinely don't think shaving my foof makes a difference to that.

And dh knows that it is entirely my choice and when/if I decide to stop shaving, he will not get a say, and the only opinion I will take into account will be my own. That is not to say that some women don't feel they have to shave in order to be attractive to their partners - something I utterly deplore - and if I found out my dses shared that attitude (though I am really not sure how the discussion would come up), I would set them straight very firmly.

NerrSnerr · 06/07/2018 13:09

Actually, she would have found approximately 5000 threads asserting your right to remove or not remove your hair according to personal preference, but strongly implying that you are dirty, smelly, unhygienic, lazy or letting yourself go if you don’t.

Don't forget to add that you look pre-pubescent, are influenced by porn or are only doing it to please men if you do.

Whatever you're view on pubes (personally I sometimes have them and sometimes don't) there's no point in completely ignoring the other side of the argument. One thing I can categorically say is that after 2 c sections and massive boobs there is no way I can look pre-pubescent whatever the state of my pubic hair! That is utterly ridiculous.

Talkwhilstyouwalk · 06/07/2018 13:15

The regrowth was spikey and itchy for me! Horrendous experience, never again!

yearofthewoman · 06/07/2018 13:19

The regular "it looks like an child" commenters on here every single time have massive, massive issues and need help from a professional urgently.

So, we live in a society where youth is fetishised, where child abuse is as are school girl & "barely legal" porn and where children are being increasingly sexualised.

But if we acknowledge this, and ask people to think critically about making adult women's genitals look more like children's we're the ones with a problem. Riiiight.

User700800 · 06/07/2018 13:19

It's been a thing for a while now. I think a lot of people now feel it's "dirty" to have body hair when really it's a myth.

chillpizza · 06/07/2018 13:20

Hasnt removing all body hair been done for well forever even arm hair in the Middle East. So although newer to the U.K.:USA not exactly new to everyone

BlackeyedSusan · 06/07/2018 13:22

if you want spiders legs down there you need to find the mner who twatted a spider to death...

JJS888 · 06/07/2018 13:22

But if we acknowledge this, and ask people to think critically about making adult women's genitals look more like children's we're the ones with a problem. Riiiight.

The only person sexualising this is you. Normal people just don't care. You are not normal.

Cantspell2 · 06/07/2018 13:24

Why do women spend so much time thinking about other women’s personal grooming?

A lot of men remove the pubic hair and I have never heard one conversation online or in real life about them looking like young boy/being a paedo/bowing to the pressure of porn etc. Nor do men feel the need to put down other men for their personal choice in grooming.

Women seem to spend too much time judging other women.

NotASingleFuckToGive · 06/07/2018 13:26

Why would anyone want their genitals to look prepubescent? In my mind, there is something very wrong in this, particularly when men prefer this look.

Would the usual suspects who claim women with a hair free pubic area looks 'pre-pubescent', say the same of women with AA or A-cup breasts?
Or women with athletic "straight up and down" figures I wonder?
By this standard, surely any man who dates and has sex with a thin woman with small breasts and athletic waistline prefers the pre-pubescent look on women Hmm

tabulahrasa · 06/07/2018 13:31

“are influenced by porn or are only doing it to please men if you do.”

Again - it being mainstream is influenced by porn, not people who are waxing or shaving...

I remember it being a novel thing and magazines having to explain how it all worked and almost coyly saying which celebrities were rumoured to get which waxing done... and very few were about waxing it all off.

Then the internet happened, porn was freely available and all of a sudden people were more shocked that Vanessa hudgens had pubic hair than that there were naked pictures of her....

DrFoxtrot · 06/07/2018 13:35

Blimey, the debate is getting a bit heavy! Do what makes you happy and comfortable.

Right now I’m sporting full bush Grin and I’m not enjoying it. I’m going to be waxed soon but I wanted to give the area a rest. I personally feel sweatier with the hair but that’s not to say that others are dirty, I tend towards mega sweaty in hot weather.

SoftDay · 06/07/2018 13:37

These threads always go the same way, with insults on both sides. Everybody should do what they want, but it is undeniable that the prevalence of bush-removing in Western societies is a direct reflection of its featuring in Internet porn. That is a neutral fact with no value judgment attached.

Like others, I have no interest in what individual adult women do, but I do worry for young girls impacted by the narrative that pubic hair is dirty and gross. When I was a young woman - and I'm not even THAT old!! - a soft, luxuriant bush was considered the very epitome of femininity and eroticism, and men were very eager indeed to get up close and personal with it.

I do resent the influence of porn on what is considered attractive and sexy. I was already approaching my 30s when the bald look became de rigueur in the early 2000s, and I recall finding it very unappealing, almost repellent. Until one day I saw someone with pubes in a film or TV show and had an instinctive reaction of "ewww". That brought me up short, I can tell you! My point is that this stuff is insidious; constant messages about how nasty/faulty/smelly/just not quite right our female bodies are in their varied and natural state have an impact even on those of us who might think ourselves immune.

On a personal note, I hacked myself really badly seven years ago while shaving my bikini line (which was the grooming regime I settled on) and not paying proper attention. That injury led to a first outbreak of psoriasis which subsequently spread to every surface and crevice of my body and severely reduced the quality of my life. It is now controlled only by my taking immunosuppressant injections which have significant health risks. It's quite possible that another injury would have activated the psoriasis at a later date, but I do sometimes wonder if The Beast might never have been awakened if not for my fanny topiary.

haverhill · 06/07/2018 13:38

It's been a 'thing' for years, OP.
I personally find it a bit disturbing but many women seem to prefer it. It does seem to be broadly age related.

yearofthewoman · 06/07/2018 13:42

Would the usual suspects who claim women with a hair free pubic area looks 'pre-pubescent', say the same of women with AA or A-cup breasts?

Of course not, they're those women's natural boobs!

if there was a trend for women to minimise their boobs down to AA or A cups* and women who didn't minimise their breasts were made to feel they were unclean or unattractive, then yes, I'd be asking the same questions.

By this standard, surely any man who dates and has sex with a thin woman with small breasts and athletic waistline prefers the pre-pubescent look on women

Do you always exaggerate like this? Why would ANY man who has sex with a thin woman be expressing a preference? A man who has sex with a thin woman is - hopefully - having sex with her for more reasons than just that she's thin.

But if a man only or massively preferred women with bodies that looked like pre-pubescent girls, then it's perfectly fair to wonder why.

halfwitpicker · 06/07/2018 13:42

I reckon I'd lose half a stone and be a size smaller if I got me a Hollywood

JJS888 · 06/07/2018 13:43

Why would anyone want their genitals to look prepubescent? In my mind, there is something very wrong in this, particularly when men prefer this look

The only person sexualising it us the person the wrote this. In your mind you may see it as a sexual thing. But that's because your mind is a little bit unhealthy and twisted.

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