Hairless foofs

[Ginismyfriendx]

So can't sleep and watching naked attraction (please do judge me, I deserve it)
Are completely bare foofs a thing now? Having had a nasty experience of an ingrown hair from shaving bikini line (which required anti-biotics) why go through that? Nevermind the faff. Who want's an evening shadow on their lady bits?
All for a bit of pruning, but uprooting?

And I know other people feel cleaner with public hair and enjoy sex better with public hair This may well be the case and lots of posters have said that... but...
No one got rid of their pubic hair in my teens or twenties (I'm old). Really not. In my twenties for instance, I felt clean and I enjoyed a lot of sex and that was with a full bush. So obviously fashion has changed and that's OK but it is driven by the porn industry, because I honestly don't think someone thought I feel dirty, I think I'll just shave all my pubic hair off.

Kewcumber that was EXACTLY what I was trying to say!

If you can rummage around and find it is my motto for both house and lady-bits this is brilliant!

Neverending ridiculousness. Has anybody on this thread said that "If you don't remove your hair you are dirty, unhygienic, smelly, whatever? I can't find such a post. I can see posts from posters who've said that they feel cleaner. They've made no reference to other people.

From the hair--keeper's side, we've had commentary about being prepubescent, about doing this because of porn, about wasting money because a full bush is the best thing ever... and general judgement levied at the hair-removers for not doing the same as them. It's pathetic.

The insults are really not flying both ways. They are flying from non-hair removers who can't keep their noses out of other women's vulvas. It's nobody's business and it's certainly not your job to tell other women that they should be doing this or that.

I don't give a hoot what you do with your pubic hair and it's none of your damn business what I do with mine. I've made no judgements about anybody else's grooming because guess what... I just don't care what you do but, if you're rude enough to make unasked for comments about what I do with my own body then I will challenge you.

If I take off the hair its only a sex thing and only the undercarriage part. I mix it up. Conversely I would feel odd if I went for a smear with pubic hair all removed as I associate that with sex. But I don't judge others for it. I also feel that at certain times of the month it can feel messier without pubic hair.

A friend who is younger said she thought it made the genital area seem more 'out there' if pubic hair was in place. I said I thought the opposite as you could possibly see more if its all taken off (we were discussing German spas where naked people are more common).

However, I do think there is more chance of camel toe in swimming costumes etc when pubic hair is removed. Pubic hair provides a concealing effect. I wouldn't want to have it totally au naturel down there though and do trim it so its not seen either side of swimming costume/knicker line.

If it was just fashion, people would say that

Not necessarily. Hair free legs and armpits is also some thing that changes with fashion. It seems a pretty long lived fashion though. Anyway, my armpits feel cleaner hair free but the reason I started shaving them was fashion.

No one sees my lady garden so it doesn’t matter it it is bare or bear.

I started removing it all after my first period. Never watched porn or had sex at the point. I did have heavy bleeding with clots which was just a disgusting mess and I’m paranoid about smells so I felt complement gross. I grabbed a pair of scissors to start with and then figured might as well just shave it off. I’m not sure why the prepubescent thing always comes out, considering it falls or as you get older apparently surely we are making ourselves look like old ladies nobody is asking you to shave/wax yours off why care if mine is on or off it doesn’t affect you.

There really are just as many implied insults to hairy women as hair free witch

women with pubic hair descibed as "insecure" "gross" "feeling cleaner without" really isn;t much differnce to "looking prepubescent" (note not BEING (as you said), some factual stuff about the point of pubic hair etc.

Again I think until we recognise the role social conditioning plays on us as women, we're royally fucked.

I find it really really hard NOT to shave my armpits. But I don't because I had a road to Damascus moment that it wasn't about being cleaner but just that it was EXPECTED. Men (and I) don't shave our armpits and manage to stay clean.

I am absolutely happy for every woman to do whatever they please with their body but I do kinda wistfully hope that one day women won't own the idea that they are uninfluenced by social pressures.

It's like people who are adament that they aren't ifluenced by brnading/advertising. It's just not true. But it suits our image of ourselves as being strong minded individuals with a mind of our own.

TERFs?!

OK I'll bite - who at any point has mentioned (or even implied) any issue with Trans?

Or is TERF just being used as a random insult to anyone who doesn;t agree with you these days?

I like not having hair down there. So sue me. It's no one else's business surely. I've asked my husband before and in his own words "you could have hair down to your ankles and I wouldn't give a shit" I haven't got it from porn either! That's an unfair generalisation and how insulting that women couldn't possibly think to shave a part of their body without consulting porn for inspiration. As other people have said it feels much cleaner (especially when THAT time of the month rolls around, as a sanitary towel user)

kewcumber, no, not implied. You're inferring. That's your problem.

I have a problem with women attacking other women for their choice to remove their own hair. The hairless women are not making any comments of the other woman's hairiness.

We're fucked because of the way women treat other women. Pure and simple. Derision and dismissiveness is creating a divide, not our choices of what we do with our pubic hair. Honestly, we couldn't make it easier for men if we tried.

I have a daughter and I am more interested in teaching her to have a mind of her own and to think about what pressures people are putting on her... where is that pressure coming from? But her body hair? She can do whatever she chooses to do and I will support her.

Her hair/vulva/legs - her decision. If they're not your body parts then you don't have a say, end of. We tell men that often enough (no uterus, no opinion), so it works for our own sex too.

Why is it an insult to say that porn has had a huge effect on society and on our behaviour? That’s just fact, surely?

More importantly, why would anyone want their genitals to look prepubescent? In my mind, there is something very wrong in this, particularly when men prefer this look. This is not healthy physicaly or psychologically. It is not at all the same as shaving armpits or legs, it is sexual

I do think the pre-pubescent comments are nonsense. I'm an adult woman, the lack of hair I have doesn't make me look in any way pre-pubescent, I've had a (very large!) baby, my genitals are never looking pre-pubescent again

TERFs?? Do one!! FFS!!

“how insulting that women couldn't possibly think to shave a part of their body without consulting porn for inspiration.”

I don’t think that’s what people mean?

They mean it’s pretty much standard in porn because it gives better footage, that porn is pretty widespread and for some people the most they’ll see of lots of different naked people so it becomes the norm and spreads from there, surely?

Not that individuals are watching porn and suddenly booking a wax...

“I have a daughter and I am more interested in teaching her to have a mind of her own and to think about what pressures people are putting on her... where is that pressure coming from?”
I agree - I have a daughter too. And there is a huge amount of pressure on young people from porn. It is incredibly hard to have a “mind of your own” on anything remotely sexual when expectations are now being informed by porn rather than real life human bodies and the sort of rteenage experimentation that used to be the norm. That’s why it’s so important to question everything

The regular "it looks like an child" commenters on here every single time have massive, massive issues and need help from a professional urgently.

Is it really a personal choice if you're doing it for fear of critical comments from your peers like someone earlier said about the teenage girls they overheard talking about their friend?

And it’s not attacking to say Think about this. Why did women suddenly start doing something that very few women used to do? Has the beauty industry found yet another way to tell women their unmodified bodies are unacceptable so they have to buy more stuff? Scented panty liners anyone?”

And it’s would be naive to deny that there are some men who like the Lolita look. But that is, in my opinion, not the main issue here.

I'm not sure if the fashion will come full circle on this one - there's a lot of money to be made in hair removal. Much more than could be made by selling whatever styling products they could come up with for bushes (like beard wax or something). If the full bush is ever in vogue again it will be as part of a full backlash against consumerism.

The other thing worth considering (esp now Terfs and trans have been brought up) is how hairlessness is construed as feminine (even if achieved through quite a lot of shaving/plucking) in contrast to hairy manliness. I think a lot of the disgust responses to body hair on women are based in it being a transgression of gender norms.

Wow JJS888 dramatic much??

Not as dramatic as suggesting any partner of a shaver is a paedo. Same old people trot it out every time. Its really offensive and frankly disturbing that they feel it necessary to make that connection. They need help.

“Not as dramatic as suggesting any partner of a shaver is a paedo”

Anyone who said that would need help. Fortunately nobody has.