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AIBU to be offended?

175 replies

RoyalSchmuck · 05/07/2018 20:06

I work in a very male orientated career, and I am one of two females in a team of 8 other men. Due to sickness / annual leave / meetings etc there was only me and two of the males on the team left in our department, but only myself who could do a certain task (only myself and another colleague, shall call him Y, can do this certain task).

Male colleague (shall call him B) comes over and asks if colleague Y is available to do said task. He is speaking to the guys and they say “no, but Royal over there can do it”. B glances my way and responds to them “well, when will Y be back?”

They say they don’t know and to speak to me, as they were busy with helping someone else. I smile at B and ask if I can help. He spares me another glance and again addresses the guys to say “can you ask Y to give me a call when he gets back?”

Which at this point, one of them gives him a funny look, stands and comes to stand by me and says “Royal can do it. Just let her know what you need.”

B (not looking at me but my Male team mate) responds “It’s fine. When Y gets back just tell him to pop over yeah?”

So I jokey say “why what’s wrong with me doing it?” But B doesn’t respond, to which my male colleague repeats my question. Still not looking at me he sort of shrugged and said “If you won’t pass on my message I’ll just message Y myself then.”

He walks away.

Male colleague is a bit confused by the whole thing, saying B was out of order and pointing out how uncomfortable he was that B didn’t even properly look at me. I ask whether I have some reputation I might not know about as a sort of embarrassed joke and he says none he’s heard and he’s just as genuinely baffled as I am.

Y returns from meeting, reads email from B and fowards it to me asking if I can help B as he’s busy with some work, CC’ing in B to the email. I explain what happened to Y and he rolls his eyes and goes “I wondered why he always privately messages me to do [said task], even when I tell him I’m busy with other stuff.”

The guys who were there then chip in and say it must be a religious thing and I shouldn’t worry about it.

I responded to the email and let B know I’ll work on the task. He responded by replying to colleague Y (but not me!!! Y had to tell me) “It’s fine if you’re busy Y I can wait.”

AIBU to feel a little offended? I’d understand if it was because Y did a better job etc but the task is one no one can do better than someone else, just a standard outcome. Myself and Y were hired at the same time and through talking with him at dinner it seems this certain colleague has made a comment before in passing that he doesn’t think “women should be working” and is known to be very very religious person. B works in an all-Male team and Y and co speculated that I may be the only female he comes across in our office simply because he needs said task by me and Y, and therefore he doesn’t need to interact with women any other time.

This might be so, but it doesn’t stop me feeling a bit offended!

I really, really want to raise this with HR but everyone says I should drop it, as it’s one ignorant person and in the long run I don’t interact with them at all (only time i would is for this task, which apparently B always asks Y to do anyway).

I just can’t believe it, nothing like this has ever happened to me before and I’m not sure if my shock is making me see this is as something bigger than it is, as no one else seems to think it’s a big deal?

Colleague who has the interaction, while agrees B was super rude, also is on side with everyone else that I should just leave it be and ignore B if I ever see him going forward.

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pissedrightoff1 · 06/07/2018 09:03

I agree with you Keepserving , email B ccing in HR / manager asking for an explanation

Excited0803 · 06/07/2018 09:04

That's one of the most blatant cases of sexism I've heard of. Report him to HR; discuss it with your line manager first to sense check the content. Copy both your line manager and his line manager on the email so that they can ensure it is followed up.

Excited0803 · 06/07/2018 09:05

And I think it isn't appropriate to contact him directly, it's passive aggressive to challenge him with a manager copied in when the issue is about him NOT communicating directly with you. The professional approach is HR and line managers.

FeistyOldBat · 06/07/2018 09:05

As a former union rep (TSSA) I'd certainly take it seriously. One incident like this is as serious as many; you should speak to HR about it. If not dealt with it will give permission for this person to behave like this again; he has to know his behaviour is unacceptable.

thecatsthecats · 06/07/2018 09:12

Take it to HR.

I have just dismissed someone for racism, and there were plenty of anecdotal verbal incidents that people chose to raise AFTER the event that just couldn't be taken into account because they piled up over the years as little asides. Also other things like bullying behaviour and performance issues that weren't officially on record.

Fortunately, the event itself was serious enough (and their general disciplinary record poor enough) that I could still dismiss.

He might never do anything 'worse' than what he did to you to you personally, but who knows how he'll affect other women in the company?

araiwa · 06/07/2018 09:14

I think its a small problem that could be easily managed without using the nuclear option

It reminds me of Raj in the big bang- he couldnt speak to women without being drunk because he was too nervous. But by all means fire him and call him a misogynist

viques · 06/07/2018 09:15

If a colleague refused to work with another colleague on the grounds of race they would rightly face all kinds of HR and disciplinary hell. Should be a no brainier that the same forces come into play when a colleague is refusing to work with another colleague on the grounds of gender bigotry.

Mummyoflittledragon · 06/07/2018 09:17

Definitely raise a formal complaint with hr. You may be blamed for not getting the job done when y is on holiday. Vile man. Imagine being married to him 🤢

DoJo · 06/07/2018 09:17

But it clearly does bother the OP - he is being rude, dismissive of her ability and completely unprofessional to ignore a colleague who he actually needs to help him. He should not be provided with an alternative method of dealing with the work - he should treat all his colleagues with the professional respect they deserve.

KeiTeNgeNge · 06/07/2018 09:21

I would speak to HR

gottastopeatingchocolate · 06/07/2018 09:23

Agree with Excited that an email to B is passive aggressive.

This is a company issue. It needs to be addressed by a manager/HR. The pervading culture is "let it go". That isn't right. There may be some delicacy required by HR or Manager if B is claiming a religious basis for his behaviour, but you cannot use religion to discriminate. Please be proactive - anyone who puts their head down - including you, really - is supporting this sexist position.

troodiedoo · 06/07/2018 09:24

How would you manage it then @araiwa

I do hope you are not a woman. That would be a sad state.

Jimmers · 06/07/2018 09:27

@Araiwa - it’s not going nuclear though. It’s raising an issue of discrimination, which is illegal btw, so that the member of staff concerned can be spoken to, not automatically dismissed.
And blatant discrimination is nowhere near the same as being too nervous to speak to women.

OP - you need to report this.

spiderplantsgalore · 06/07/2018 09:33

You do need to report it.
If you refuse to do tasks for him when Y is away, you could end up looking childish at best and may be reported yourself.
Deal with it in a professional way.

dadshere · 06/07/2018 09:37

Is he a member of a certain religion? I had a father of a child refuse to speak to me about his son because "Women should not talk to men outisde of their families" I couldn't believe it, he spoke to me through his son. I wanted to call the meeting off, but was not brave enough.

cakecakecheese · 06/07/2018 09:41

Yeah this needs to be reported as it's extremely unprofessional behaviour.

invisibleoldwoman · 06/07/2018 09:41

As Y is going to be away for six weeks I would raise it with HR as something that has just come to your attention about B and that this may cause a problem in Y's absence. That you are willing to do the work if asked but cannot do it if B won't ask you.

So not making a formal complaint just an innocent, 'Oh dear, I've just realised this might be a problem, over to you'.

Then it is recorded and B cannot later make up some reason why the work not getting done in Y's absence is somehow your fault!!

longwayoff · 06/07/2018 09:45

Could be worse. Imagine being his wife. This medieval attitude is not remotely acceptable at work. Yes be offended. Yes raise with manager.

borlottibeans · 06/07/2018 09:46

Report it for the reasons others have said here but also to cover your own back. If two people are able to do a task but it's only ever done by one of them, to the point where if that person isn't there the task is delayed, at some point somebody might pop up to accuse you of not pulling your weight in the department. At the moment an outsider could look at this set up and assume B is the department star and you're a bit of a slacker who either won't respond to requests or whose work is of such a low quality that you're not asked to do things. It's not fair and your career shouldn't be jeopardised because some idiot is living 500 years ahead of his time.

Also, this might be one small thing now but there will be other tasks and other women. This needs nipping in the bud now.

borlottibeans · 06/07/2018 09:47

Sorry, Y not B! Getting my initials mixed up.

TinyTear · 06/07/2018 09:51

Say "it's ok, you can talk to me, I'm identifying as a man this week"

Zaphodsotherhead · 06/07/2018 09:51

Could you do the task, pass it to Y to pass to B, then when B thanks Y, Y tells B that actually you did it?

See if B's head explodes or something?

eddielizzard · 06/07/2018 09:52

TinyTear Grin Grin Grin Grin

araiwa · 06/07/2018 09:53

set up a shared email account for op and y - task requests@company etc and all task requests (by B and everyoneelse) are sent to it and can be actioned by either person. no direct talking required and it covers if either are away for any reason

seems a reasonably easy and elegant solution

it's easy to get bogged down in isms and ideas and want to stick to strict rules about it. but humans are involved which usually screws any idealogue and so a simple human solution is far preferred

JJS888 · 06/07/2018 09:53

He's a twat bit please stop using myself instead of me. It sounds ridiculous.