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AIBU to be offended?

175 replies

RoyalSchmuck · 05/07/2018 20:06

I work in a very male orientated career, and I am one of two females in a team of 8 other men. Due to sickness / annual leave / meetings etc there was only me and two of the males on the team left in our department, but only myself who could do a certain task (only myself and another colleague, shall call him Y, can do this certain task).

Male colleague (shall call him B) comes over and asks if colleague Y is available to do said task. He is speaking to the guys and they say “no, but Royal over there can do it”. B glances my way and responds to them “well, when will Y be back?”

They say they don’t know and to speak to me, as they were busy with helping someone else. I smile at B and ask if I can help. He spares me another glance and again addresses the guys to say “can you ask Y to give me a call when he gets back?”

Which at this point, one of them gives him a funny look, stands and comes to stand by me and says “Royal can do it. Just let her know what you need.”

B (not looking at me but my Male team mate) responds “It’s fine. When Y gets back just tell him to pop over yeah?”

So I jokey say “why what’s wrong with me doing it?” But B doesn’t respond, to which my male colleague repeats my question. Still not looking at me he sort of shrugged and said “If you won’t pass on my message I’ll just message Y myself then.”

He walks away.

Male colleague is a bit confused by the whole thing, saying B was out of order and pointing out how uncomfortable he was that B didn’t even properly look at me. I ask whether I have some reputation I might not know about as a sort of embarrassed joke and he says none he’s heard and he’s just as genuinely baffled as I am.

Y returns from meeting, reads email from B and fowards it to me asking if I can help B as he’s busy with some work, CC’ing in B to the email. I explain what happened to Y and he rolls his eyes and goes “I wondered why he always privately messages me to do [said task], even when I tell him I’m busy with other stuff.”

The guys who were there then chip in and say it must be a religious thing and I shouldn’t worry about it.

I responded to the email and let B know I’ll work on the task. He responded by replying to colleague Y (but not me!!! Y had to tell me) “It’s fine if you’re busy Y I can wait.”

AIBU to feel a little offended? I’d understand if it was because Y did a better job etc but the task is one no one can do better than someone else, just a standard outcome. Myself and Y were hired at the same time and through talking with him at dinner it seems this certain colleague has made a comment before in passing that he doesn’t think “women should be working” and is known to be very very religious person. B works in an all-Male team and Y and co speculated that I may be the only female he comes across in our office simply because he needs said task by me and Y, and therefore he doesn’t need to interact with women any other time.

This might be so, but it doesn’t stop me feeling a bit offended!

I really, really want to raise this with HR but everyone says I should drop it, as it’s one ignorant person and in the long run I don’t interact with them at all (only time i would is for this task, which apparently B always asks Y to do anyway).

I just can’t believe it, nothing like this has ever happened to me before and I’m not sure if my shock is making me see this is as something bigger than it is, as no one else seems to think it’s a big deal?

Colleague who has the interaction, while agrees B was super rude, also is on side with everyone else that I should just leave it be and ignore B if I ever see him going forward.

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MidniteScribbler · 06/07/2018 00:51

Absolutely report this. If a woman was doing this to a man, they would have no hesitation in calling her out and reporting her. It's not on.

Arum51 · 06/07/2018 01:27

Report it. He's a liability to your firm, a lawsuit waiting to happen. And God forbid he actually reached a position where he had hiring or management responsibilities.

chumbawumbawumba · 06/07/2018 03:03

Maybe he doesn't like you.

Maybe he doesn't think you're good at your job.

IfyouseeRitaMoreno · 06/07/2018 04:24

Maybe he doesn't like you.

Maybe he doesn't think you're good at your job.

Is that how you treat people who you think aren’t good at their jobs chumba, by refusing to talk to them?

That’s very childish.

BuckysRoboticArm · 06/07/2018 05:04

chumbawumba Imagine if people only co-operated with the people they like in the workplace. Hmm How ridiculous.

Also she already said the task in hand has the same outcome, it’s nothing to do with the level of skill. Even if it were that’s not how a professional adult goes about things is it.

I’d report op. A man wouldn’t accept this from a woman. Why should you accept it? Everyone wants you to be a good girl and not make any fuss or stir up trouble because they don’t want to deal with it. Stand up for yourself!

bubbles108 · 06/07/2018 06:33

What an utter twat. He should be disciplined

randomthoughts · 06/07/2018 06:47

This is blatant discrimination and needs to be dealt with. Not only will it impact you, but those around you. You say your colleague was uncomfortable - this is not a good environment for anyone. Don’t let a single person’s actions lead to a toxic culture. Imagine if they got promoted, we’re able to make recruitment decisions etc.

GinUnicorn · 06/07/2018 06:52

Personally I would raise this with HR. If it is sexual discrimination how many others is he doing this to? Totally unacceptable behaviour and he deserves to be called out.

Foslady · 06/07/2018 07:03

Try changing the reason he won’t ask you from the word ‘woman’ to the word ‘ethnic minority’ or ‘gay’ - neither would be in any shape or form acceptable and be instantly seen as reportable to HR, so why should you accept being a woman as an acceptable reason for his behaviour?

RhiWrites · 06/07/2018 07:25

then take this to HR but this would cause you a lot of stress and be a bit childish

No it would bloody not be childish. It would be professional.

This misogynist colleague is repeatedly ignoring OP and refusing to work with her. It’s discriminatory. She absolutely should take it further.

araiwa · 06/07/2018 08:09

The guy is clearly uncomfortable speaking to women outside of his family probably due to cultural/religious reasons. Some (m+f) dont speak to the opposite sex out of respect for their spouse.

And you all want to report him, then bully and force him to speak to someone he doesnt want to?? For shame

Just leave him be, he isnt causing you any problems

Judging by many threads on here plenty would be pleased about partners not talking to the opposite sex at work and the angst it causes...

Strongmummy · 06/07/2018 08:14

Take it straight to HR. The guy was rude and unprofessional and needs to be spoken to firmly

Strongmummy · 06/07/2018 08:16

Araiwa - when you in a work environment you leave your own hang ups at the door. It’s called being professional. This man was being incredibly offensive (perhaps without meaning) to a colleague. That is not on and needs to be sorted

problembottom · 06/07/2018 08:24

Why are people telling you not to go with HR? This is appalling and you need to go to HR. If someone in my workplace acted like this they’d be sacked.

KatharinaRosalie · 06/07/2018 08:32

he isnt causing you any problems

What? A person you're supposed to work with blatanty ignores you like you're a piece of furniture, and you're fine with that? If this person cannot talk to women, he simply cannot work in environments where women might be present, and should make respective changes in his choice of employment.

Or would it be acceptable for me to say, ignore my gay colleague or refuse to acknowledge an Indian one, because my religion says only white people are worthy? If not, what's the difference?

araiwa · 06/07/2018 08:35

The guy has being doing it a long time and op never even noticed. So yeah, hes not causing a problem at all other than to himself maybe as he has to wait longer

Littletabbyocelot · 06/07/2018 08:37

The professional thing to do is report. Your company has a duty to protect its employees from discrimination. OK if you can manage this but what if a woman is employed on his team. If they don't know they can't address it.

For those thinking his religious needs should be protected, there are limits to that but if there weren't then again HR need to know to protect him. Perhaps his job role could be redesigned slightly or he could have a designated colleague who would do all female interaction for him. Ideally he could also have a special office in a location where he can avoid seeing women - or be allowed to work from home.

Adviceplease360 · 06/07/2018 08:41

Report him to hr, and hopefully he will get the sack.

LadyGAgain · 06/07/2018 08:42

I would email B with his line manager in copy (maybe Y as well) and ask what his plan is to ensure that he does not need support during the 3 weeks Y is away as you are aware is does not want to engage with you on the task. Give the recent example you gave in your original post. Perhaps ask him whether he would like to discuss why he ignores you, won't accept your help and whether there is a wider issue. So you are 1) ensuring business needs are met whilst Y is away 2) raising the issue 3) offering to discuss whatever his problem in and come up with a solution. All with his manager in copy.

araiwa · 06/07/2018 08:43

A professional response would be to have a word with his and your boss and make the aware. Stress that it doesnt bother you but could cause business issues and suggest that in future, if has requests he sends them to a boss to forward on to you thereby vausing no problems for anyone and you can all get on with your day without it impacting the business

DingDongDenny · 06/07/2018 08:45

There are so many reasons why you need to report this. Most have been mentioned already, but in summary

  • in case he is questioned about his conduct and calls your professionalism into question
  • in case in the future there are women on his team
  • or senior women he has to report to
  • in case he is obstructing the career prospects of women by not allowing them on his team
  • in case he is being unprofessional with other women in the organisation (support staff etc)
  • In case he has to encounter women as clients
  • in case refusing to get you to do the work results in delayes and affects the business

In a nutshell women are 50% of the population - in the workplace you can't just ignore them

Kochicoo · 06/07/2018 08:45

Just to agree with most other pps, you must report this. It needs to be logged just in case anything happens in the future with this guy.

KatharinaRosalie · 06/07/2018 08:53

Stress that it doesnt bother you

Why? OP writes that she was offended, so it clearly does bother her.

KC225 · 06/07/2018 08:55

Report him. He is unprofessional and embarrassing. His behaviour is discriminatory, and it should be stamped out.

Strongmummy · 06/07/2018 09:00

Araiwa so essentially you ARE in fact agreeing that the guy’s attitude sucks and he needs to be dealt with. 🙄