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AIBU to be offended?

175 replies

RoyalSchmuck · 05/07/2018 20:06

I work in a very male orientated career, and I am one of two females in a team of 8 other men. Due to sickness / annual leave / meetings etc there was only me and two of the males on the team left in our department, but only myself who could do a certain task (only myself and another colleague, shall call him Y, can do this certain task).

Male colleague (shall call him B) comes over and asks if colleague Y is available to do said task. He is speaking to the guys and they say “no, but Royal over there can do it”. B glances my way and responds to them “well, when will Y be back?”

They say they don’t know and to speak to me, as they were busy with helping someone else. I smile at B and ask if I can help. He spares me another glance and again addresses the guys to say “can you ask Y to give me a call when he gets back?”

Which at this point, one of them gives him a funny look, stands and comes to stand by me and says “Royal can do it. Just let her know what you need.”

B (not looking at me but my Male team mate) responds “It’s fine. When Y gets back just tell him to pop over yeah?”

So I jokey say “why what’s wrong with me doing it?” But B doesn’t respond, to which my male colleague repeats my question. Still not looking at me he sort of shrugged and said “If you won’t pass on my message I’ll just message Y myself then.”

He walks away.

Male colleague is a bit confused by the whole thing, saying B was out of order and pointing out how uncomfortable he was that B didn’t even properly look at me. I ask whether I have some reputation I might not know about as a sort of embarrassed joke and he says none he’s heard and he’s just as genuinely baffled as I am.

Y returns from meeting, reads email from B and fowards it to me asking if I can help B as he’s busy with some work, CC’ing in B to the email. I explain what happened to Y and he rolls his eyes and goes “I wondered why he always privately messages me to do [said task], even when I tell him I’m busy with other stuff.”

The guys who were there then chip in and say it must be a religious thing and I shouldn’t worry about it.

I responded to the email and let B know I’ll work on the task. He responded by replying to colleague Y (but not me!!! Y had to tell me) “It’s fine if you’re busy Y I can wait.”

AIBU to feel a little offended? I’d understand if it was because Y did a better job etc but the task is one no one can do better than someone else, just a standard outcome. Myself and Y were hired at the same time and through talking with him at dinner it seems this certain colleague has made a comment before in passing that he doesn’t think “women should be working” and is known to be very very religious person. B works in an all-Male team and Y and co speculated that I may be the only female he comes across in our office simply because he needs said task by me and Y, and therefore he doesn’t need to interact with women any other time.

This might be so, but it doesn’t stop me feeling a bit offended!

I really, really want to raise this with HR but everyone says I should drop it, as it’s one ignorant person and in the long run I don’t interact with them at all (only time i would is for this task, which apparently B always asks Y to do anyway).

I just can’t believe it, nothing like this has ever happened to me before and I’m not sure if my shock is making me see this is as something bigger than it is, as no one else seems to think it’s a big deal?

Colleague who has the interaction, while agrees B was super rude, also is on side with everyone else that I should just leave it be and ignore B if I ever see him going forward.

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Londoner999 · 05/07/2018 20:38

I feel for you, definitely raise with HR.

What 'religious thing' was your colleague talking about though? I don't get it?

ReservoirDogs · 05/07/2018 20:40

B is discriminating against you on the basis of your sex and I would definitely report it upwards! You may be prepared to let it go but another employee might not in the future and sue your employer rather than B direct - thus I would let management know what B is doing.

KokoandAllBall · 05/07/2018 20:47

Also, Y is taking three weeks off during the six week holidays to go abroad, so inevitably I will need to do the task... Am I in my right to refuse do you think?

Not if it needs to be done and you haven't raised it as an issue before. You can either approach HR with the issue and ask what they think you should do, or talk to B yourself. Ask him what he intends to do when Y is away for three weeks.

ShawshanksRedemption · 05/07/2018 20:48

This needs to be flagged because as you say Y is going on holiday and then B will have to go and ask you to do the work. If there is then an issue HR will have been briefed already and you can raise it straight away so that it's crystal clear it's not your capability coming into question if B chooses to wait until Y comes back and this causes issues for the business.

That way you're keeping it professional rather than acting personally.

PeakPants · 05/07/2018 20:49

Well, ask yourself whether it would be acceptable for B to refuse to interact with you because of your race. If it wouldn't, then it shouldn't acceptable for him to treat you differently on grounds of sex. Report it to HR.

He doesn't think women should work? Well, fuck off mate, nobody cares what your religion says, it's 2018, not 1808.

ReanimatedSGB · 05/07/2018 20:50

Report the woman-hating prick to HR. He needs a hard smacking down and a formal warning. Because he's going to do it to other women, too, and potentially damage the company's reputation.
If his imaginary friend tells him that women are simply walking vaginas and shouldn't be allowed to work, he needs to grow out of having an imaginary friend or learn to leave his idiot superstitions at home.

Bluetrews25 · 05/07/2018 20:53

Would anyone hesitate to report this if you were another male but were the only one of a different ethnicity? His religion is not an excuse for being discriminatory against you.
He needs reminding of the religious B&B owners who refused a room to the gay couple, they got sued successfully, I think?

kateandme · 05/07/2018 20:57

sounds really nice that the others have your back.
but I wonder if they would be telling you to forget it if it was happening to them/males.
whilst they all see his is being a dick.id be a bit worried if I took it forward after they've told me ot ignore it whether they would then stick up for me or then grump at me for not just getting on with it "like a man" lol.allthough this is very wrong!

nevisbump · 05/07/2018 20:58

Raise it, no matter what the reason he shouldn't behave like that around you

WowLookAtYou · 05/07/2018 20:59

I presume that part of your reluctance to report him is due to his religion/culture?
That works both ways. We cannot and must not discriminate against religion/ethnicity; nor can we or must we on sexual grounds. B is completely out of order, and I would report him without question.

antmusic · 05/07/2018 21:01

What has his religion got to do with it? Jesus definitely didn't say that women shouldn't work. It's just pure sexism and should be reported to HR as sexist bullying. He obviously can't do his job properly if he can't interact with 50% of the available staff he needs to do his job!

kateandme · 05/07/2018 21:02

you mention religion?so is he of the religions that think woman shouldn't work.not that this is different to your average sexist that thinks they shouldn't I was just interested

NotTakenUsername · 05/07/2018 21:02

He is a dick and your colleagues are enabling his dickish sexist discriminatory behaviour by encouraging you to leave it.

He is very entitled to his religious beliefs, but he cannot behave in the way he has in your workplace. He must choose to leave his job or compromise his religious beliefs. His religious beliefs do not trump your rights as an employee of this particular firm.

BewareOfDragons · 05/07/2018 21:06

I would raise it with HR, end of.

He is discriminating against you in a work environment because your are a female.

That is shocking.

troodiedoo · 05/07/2018 21:08

I'm struggling to think of a religion that says women shouldn't work Hmm

ilovesooty · 05/07/2018 21:09

Escalate a formal grievance. That's absolutely unacceptable.

Justanotherlurker · 05/07/2018 21:10

I've had this scenario in my team where it was religious men against a white woman.

You need to tread very carefully and document it with hr

TornFromTheInside · 05/07/2018 21:12

This is awful.

In theory it should be reported, but in practice, it can make matters worse.
Was there any remote possibility that he specifically wanted the other person to do the work? some internal secret? something you couldn't be involved in? Hard to explain, but sometimes, people can be tasked wit something their colleagues are not allowed to know of, could this be the case?

If not, then it needs to be addressed. Informally first perhaps, then formally if needs be.

HollowTalk · 05/07/2018 21:14

It isn't his religion that's telling him that. It might be his own interpretation of his religion that's telling him. You really need to report this, OP.

Is anyone else hoping the Head of HR is a woman?

NotTakenUsername · 05/07/2018 21:15

I'm struggling to think of a religion that says women shouldn't work hmm

Many of them can be twisted that way to suit the beliefs of a chauvinist. For example; in Christian faith a wife is called to honour and obey her husband.

Domino20 · 05/07/2018 21:15

I had this in university on a group IT project. A guy from the middle East who had never really had any interaction with females outside of his family. He couldn't look at me, speak directly to me or acknowledge any of my contributions. I complained and moved to another group. It's not on, if his religion or background prevent him from acting in a professional manner it is HIS problem and you and your colleagues should not be made to feel uncomfortable because of it.

AmIRightOrAMeringue · 05/07/2018 21:16

I'm not sure if I'd report him officially...but I think (if this is at all possible) I'd like it logged somewhere officially. Even if it's just you emailing your colleague to confirm what happened and saving the email. As at the moment his woman hating isn't affecting you too much.....but one day it might. Say he somehow applied for a job with responsibility for managing people. Or hiring people. Or even was just asked for his feedback on colleagues for performance review etc. I'd want to have a record of his past behaviour just incase...

Andylion · 05/07/2018 21:21

OP, so this coworker won't even speak to you? Definitely talk to HR. That is unacceptable.

squiglet111 · 05/07/2018 21:23

Ugh what a wanker. If he doesn't like it he should leave! I hope you rise in the ranks and become his manager one day :)

KatharinaRosalie · 05/07/2018 21:23

This is totally unacceptable. Report the misogynist prick for creating a hostile working environment.

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