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AIBU to be offended?

175 replies

RoyalSchmuck · 05/07/2018 20:06

I work in a very male orientated career, and I am one of two females in a team of 8 other men. Due to sickness / annual leave / meetings etc there was only me and two of the males on the team left in our department, but only myself who could do a certain task (only myself and another colleague, shall call him Y, can do this certain task).

Male colleague (shall call him B) comes over and asks if colleague Y is available to do said task. He is speaking to the guys and they say “no, but Royal over there can do it”. B glances my way and responds to them “well, when will Y be back?”

They say they don’t know and to speak to me, as they were busy with helping someone else. I smile at B and ask if I can help. He spares me another glance and again addresses the guys to say “can you ask Y to give me a call when he gets back?”

Which at this point, one of them gives him a funny look, stands and comes to stand by me and says “Royal can do it. Just let her know what you need.”

B (not looking at me but my Male team mate) responds “It’s fine. When Y gets back just tell him to pop over yeah?”

So I jokey say “why what’s wrong with me doing it?” But B doesn’t respond, to which my male colleague repeats my question. Still not looking at me he sort of shrugged and said “If you won’t pass on my message I’ll just message Y myself then.”

He walks away.

Male colleague is a bit confused by the whole thing, saying B was out of order and pointing out how uncomfortable he was that B didn’t even properly look at me. I ask whether I have some reputation I might not know about as a sort of embarrassed joke and he says none he’s heard and he’s just as genuinely baffled as I am.

Y returns from meeting, reads email from B and fowards it to me asking if I can help B as he’s busy with some work, CC’ing in B to the email. I explain what happened to Y and he rolls his eyes and goes “I wondered why he always privately messages me to do [said task], even when I tell him I’m busy with other stuff.”

The guys who were there then chip in and say it must be a religious thing and I shouldn’t worry about it.

I responded to the email and let B know I’ll work on the task. He responded by replying to colleague Y (but not me!!! Y had to tell me) “It’s fine if you’re busy Y I can wait.”

AIBU to feel a little offended? I’d understand if it was because Y did a better job etc but the task is one no one can do better than someone else, just a standard outcome. Myself and Y were hired at the same time and through talking with him at dinner it seems this certain colleague has made a comment before in passing that he doesn’t think “women should be working” and is known to be very very religious person. B works in an all-Male team and Y and co speculated that I may be the only female he comes across in our office simply because he needs said task by me and Y, and therefore he doesn’t need to interact with women any other time.

This might be so, but it doesn’t stop me feeling a bit offended!

I really, really want to raise this with HR but everyone says I should drop it, as it’s one ignorant person and in the long run I don’t interact with them at all (only time i would is for this task, which apparently B always asks Y to do anyway).

I just can’t believe it, nothing like this has ever happened to me before and I’m not sure if my shock is making me see this is as something bigger than it is, as no one else seems to think it’s a big deal?

Colleague who has the interaction, while agrees B was super rude, also is on side with everyone else that I should just leave it be and ignore B if I ever see him going forward.

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starzig · 05/07/2018 21:28

It may not be a sexist thing. I have people at work I trust more than others. Nothing to do with sex race etc... but I get why you feel put out, maybe discuss with your line manager how you can try and gain this man's trust a bit more.

GameofPhones · 05/07/2018 21:29

It's entitled behaviour that needs nipping in the bud, or it will become normalised.

KatharinaRosalie · 05/07/2018 21:29

colleague has made a comment before in passing that he doesn’t think “women should be working” and is known to be very very religious person.

Fuck that. Religion is like a dick. Fine if you have one, but don't get it out at work and wave in someone else's face.

Needsmorebeans · 05/07/2018 21:29

YANBU. remember that idiot at Google sending round that email about why women were 'unsuited to tech? imagine the number of women he came across in his job and disrespected, gave menial tasks to or affevted theirvprogression. This sexist will go on affecting women's careers until he is called out on it and stopped. Religion is no excuse. i worked with people from ultra conservative countries but they had to respect all genders, races sexuality in our UK workplace. i would report him.

BarbRoyle · 05/07/2018 21:29

Report it. Even if you're not wanting to take it further, you are making HR aware so that WHEN he treats another female employee the same way, or worse in the future they will be aware its not a one off. Also, I believe, not even allowing himself to look or acknowledge a woman in the workplace is religious extremism. Not acceptable and also needs to be reported.

squiglet111 · 05/07/2018 21:30

"Also, Y is taking three weeks off during the six week holidays to go abroad, so inevitably I will need to do the task... Am I in my right to refuse do you think?"

I think you should say that he needs to ask you personally if you would do it! Then enjoy watching him squirm! Seriously, if he can't bring himself to ask you to do it in those 3 weeks can it effect the business if it's not done? Sounds like he's not suitable for the job he was hired for if he can't get jobs done...

nocoolnamesleft · 05/07/2018 21:31

Oh dear. This is very sexist of him. He has the right to his beliefs. He does not have the right to treat you like this at work because of them. HR.

TornFromTheInside · 05/07/2018 21:37

I wondered what the religious thing was - thought it might be a difference of religions or something, not that you're a woman!

He needs calling out on it, ideally others should call him out, but many won't.
It's awful that such situations occur, and trying to resolve it formally tends to get messy. He'll resent you for it, but at the end of the day, he is in the wrong, and a decent workplace doesn't (or shouldn't) want this type of employee.

StopPOP · 05/07/2018 21:39

I would absolutely take it further.

I'd email B, specifying the day, the interactions, what was said etc etc and ask him outright why he didn't feel you were suitable to do the task. I'd state that whatever the reply I'll be contacting HR and flagging this up and requesting the outcome.

Totally unacceptable

RabbitsAreTasty · 05/07/2018 21:40

In a similar circumstance some years ago, my Y and I privately agreed that Y would never ever do the job for B and would always make sure it went to me. It was kind of fun.

In those days HR would not have done anything so that was my best option.

Mind you, it did give me a warm fuzzy feeling that Y and friends were on my side, thought B to be outrageous, and were willing to act on it with me as a group thing. Most men are nice.

ThePants999 · 05/07/2018 21:41

If I were B's manager, I would 100% want you to tell me about this.

FeeLock28 · 05/07/2018 21:48

NewPapaGuinea & PeakPants have the right idea. You need to raise this with your manager and/or HR as the workplace isn't an appropriate place for any form of discrimination or favouritism. You don't need to complain, so much, as report what happened and ask for this to be clarified in a policy which can be circulated to everyone.

ChikiTIKI · 05/07/2018 21:49

I would report it to HR because they need to know about it. What if they need him to interact with female clients. What if they want him to report to a female manager. I'm sure if he had said I can't talk to women he wouldn't have been offered the job, and rightly so! You can't just pick a demographic and refuse to speak to them. That's not even a religious thing I've ever heard of. Maybe a rather extreme cultural thing... Not acceptable though. If he can't speak to women he shouldn't have got a job in a place where women are.

islandblone · 05/07/2018 21:54

Report. Report. Report.
This behaviour cannot be ignored. He's not making some stupid sexist joke, he is completely disregarding your ability and professionalism based on your gender. Your employers must make it clear that this attitude and behaviour is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Pass this issue on to your manager or HR at the earliest opportunity.

mummytippy · 05/07/2018 22:00

I'd report it to HR too.
I'd feel the same way as you. Natural to feel that way.
In him behaving this way he's putting more work on Y's shoulders and also causing an awkward situ.
Respecting religious beliefs is one thing but letting them interfere within the workplace ( making him in effect 'sexist') not acceptable in my book.
I would try not to take it personally though as it sounds like your colleagues are with you on this Smile

kaytee87 · 05/07/2018 22:05

Please report this. Can you imagine the damage this guy could do to Women’s careers if he gained a position of power?

IfyouseeRitaMoreno · 05/07/2018 22:07

Next time he gets his knickers in a twist just say loudly “It’s ok. I’m not menstruating!”

But seriously I wouldn’t have it out with him because then he’ll hold it against you. Tell HR because they need to know and explain to him that he’s bang out of order.

WonderTweek · 05/07/2018 22:08

I’d go straight to HR. It’s 2018, ffs. These pillocks need to be educated or weeded out from the workplace.

iambreezy · 05/07/2018 22:11

If this was happening to me, I absolutely would report it to his line manager and/or HR.

Igmum · 05/07/2018 22:11

YA totally NBU - could he be any more blatant.

I’d raise it. Whatever the reason for this he will be dealing with other women at work (no matter how skewed the distribution I can’t believe you’ll be the only woman he ever meets in his working life). This needs to be dealt with as quickly as possible - think how much harder it will be once he’s promoted - and think of the people he will promote himself if he’s not checked now.

Bibesia · 05/07/2018 22:19

I don’t understand people suggesting you should let this go. It’s blatant discrimination which can’t be seen to be tolerated. You need to report it formally.

Lobsterquadrille2 · 05/07/2018 22:26

I had exactly this with a colleague back in the 1990s. He was quite open about it and almost apologetic but said that owing to his culture, he could not work for women (I was senior to him). He was just removed from my audit team.

Mind you, when I joined one of the Big Four (they were then the Big Eight I think) in 1990, some of the older senior partners didn't approve of women training to be accountants and refused to acknowledge them if they came out to clients. One partner wouldn't even ask a mere woman to go out to get the coffee!!!

Graphista · 05/07/2018 22:35

So a sexist twat who is letting his sexism affect his work! Not only a misogynist but bloody unprofessional to boot!

Take this higher, possibly as a joint complaint with Y as its putting a heavier burden on him too.

There is a legal expectation that employers make allowances for protected characteristics (religion) but that ALSO applies to you AND is only to be 'reasonable' and while I'm not an expert I'd guess can't include behaving in such a way as to not be able to do the job!!

I would absolutely raise this with HR - and argue that Y In not wanting to is also acting unprofessionally in not supporting you and in not telling Y in clear terms that as he's too busy it will have to be you that does the task.

And I'd be in no bloody hurry to help him when one day he DOES need a favour from you - fuck that!

You can't refuse to do the task but you can certainly (within acceptable parameters of the job) not rush to do it!

"What 'religious thing' was your colleague talking about though? I don't get it?" Some religions or sects within religions don't hold with women working or even being spoken to directly by a man they aren't related to.

"What has his religion got to do with it? Jesus definitely didn't say that women shouldn't work" Christianity is not the only religion. That said I know of certain types of Christians that would behave this way.

Don't confront him in person, speak to HR and keep as many communications as possible professional and in writing. Hopefully if you give him enough rope...

Given there's going to soon be 3 weeks when you're the only person available to do said task probably best to give HR a heads up.

timeisnotaline · 05/07/2018 22:35

In 1990 lobster?!! I’m big 4 :/

You do have to log it , for all the potential women who may work with or god forbid for (obviously not if he’s part of hiring) him one day. It also makes sense to bring up the 3 week Y holiday period and say it will need to be done by me during this period so we do need to work this out.
Your colleagues while nice, haven’t bothered to think about the other women who could meet this guy, because men don’t have to think that way.

Lobsterquadrille2 · 05/07/2018 22:52

@timeisnotaline I was what was then C&L in September (I think) 1990. Seems a long time ago!