To be sick of this 'it's coming home' nonsense

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It's not coming home. Who ever said England is home? It makes us look idiotic to the rest of the world. Someone on the radio said they really believe England is going to win this year. The rest of the world must be pissing themselves looking at England cheering over such a mediocre team and having such delusions of grandeur.

It also seems to make people behave like hooligans. I've seen some crazy driving before the matches start, and people were making noise until the early hours last night.

It's just a game! We never get this excited about the olympics, Wimbledon or even Rugby.

SoddingUnicorns
I think you’re saying that you dislike the violence that football attracts. OK fine. We agree.

But that link is ultimately meaningless. Football is far and away the most popular spectator sport in this country and the world. Of course it attracts more vile behaviour as well as more (proper) excitement and celebration. As others have pointed out, the same is true (for DV) for Christmas.

There's nothing worrying about thinking carefully.

I agree Mile. There will always be people who take it too far.

Meanwhile the majority of us can have fun and out do eachother with Gareth Southgate memes.

It's coming home.

Causation" is so complicated.
Perhaps football "causes" violence like sugary drinks "cause" obesity. There are myriad other "causes", and you'd certainly still get obesity without sugary drinks, but there is a demonstrable association. And perhaps without sugary drinks there would be less obesity - who knows...?

That’s just silly.

I'm well aware of the drinking culture inextricably linked with football

Yes....."drinking culture".

It's the drinking that causes the problem...not the game. There is absolutely nothing about football that promotes drinking amongst spectators...nothing. It's not written into the rules that everyone watching has to drink beer, is it?

And "inextricably"? No. 99%+ of people watching the game did not go out and jump on the top of buses or smash up cars. Know why? Because football does not cause violence.

Obviously I dislike the violence that football attracts, I’m not stupid.

But to deny links between excessive alcohol and football is naive at best.

I grew up under the shadow of the Old Firm (and in fact am a lifelong Celtic fan) so I know that it’s a minority of fans, BUT I am also aware that the culture of alcohol and violence is inextricably linked to football.

To deny is and use whataboutery to prove a point doesn’t make any sense.

There are clear facts which show DV/antisocial behaviour/assaults/drunken behaviour have risen and do rise during big games. I’m not sure how that’s something that can be denied?

Yes it’s alcohol causing the behaviour, funny how most pubs are advertising big screens for the football though eh? I doubt they show the Royal Ballet or Question Time on the big screens.

So tell me again how booze and football aren’t a problem?

I doubt they show the Royal Ballet or Question Time on the big screens.

I doubt they show the Royal Ballet or Question Time on the big screens.

Not question time but TRB and theatre productions and even premieres of popular TV series are shown on big screens at Vue cinemas.

Hope England lose the next match so we can all just get back to normal

How sad have you got to be to write those words? A highlight of the Summer - the England success in the World Cup. Let's be proud and positive for once, rather than throw cold water on anything that makes others joyful.

Some people are joyless - but there's no way they're destroying the pleasure of the moment for me! Ultimately, people who can't respectively let others live their lives, and quietly get on with what they like to do, are extremely sad individuals.

We played 'Back Home' yesterday - the world cup song from 1970 - that brought back a few memories for me too.

Not question time but TRB and theatre productions and even premieres of popular TV series are shown on big screens at Vue cinemas

Vue Cinemas aren’t pubs.

Haven't rtft.

I don't think it's coming home as much as I'd like it to although I think we will get to the final but France will win 3-1.

I doubt they show the Royal Ballet or Question Time on the big screens

But they do - regularly - show other sports including the “golden sports” that apparently never have trouble makers.

It’s an interesting theory but I’m convinced it’s not as easy or simple as football = violence.

But they do - regularly - show other sports including the “golden sports” that apparently never have trouble makers

I’d be very interested to see the police/DV/anti social behaviour statistics from those showings v football.

I’m fairly sure that some on here still wouldn’t see the link.

Well said aj.

I live on a 500m high street which has 4 pubs on it. The mood here has been exuberant, but there hasn’t been any trouble. Because it’s such a big thing, there have been whole families watching together.

It was lovely listening to hundreds of people singing in unison after the quarter final finished.

Every single member of emergency services dreads the whole of December because of alcohol related violence, antisocial behaviour and injury.

The last Friday before Christmas is even given a nick name (black Friday, black eye Friday).

Freshers week is the same.

Huge increase in violence at Ascot this year.

Yet it's football that everyone wants to say is the problem. Which has classist undertones.

They do serve alcohol though. There's even a full scale bar in some of them sodding

@itchytights. Now now, play nice.

I’m fairly sure that some on here still wouldn’t see the link.

but most of us do see a link, but for myself I see alcohol alone as the biggest problem hence the escalation around other events and celebratory periods. The worst brawl I ever saw was at Henley Regatta. Some of the most vicious behaviour I have ever read about was performed by members of a certain society at Oxford Uni. Make of that what you will. I think football is perceived as common and there's a great deal of snobbery around it.

In a study, 62% of University students reported experiencing sexual violence at Uni with 8% of female respondents reporting being raped at Uni, twice as many as the 4% of women in England and Wales experiencing rape. Cambridge University admits to a significant problem with 'sexual misconduct'.

Is University causing sexual violence? Does the general public associate University with rape?

No, because it's mostly (certainly with modern student fees) middle class, well educated young people whereas as football is associated by some people with those 'yobs' in their 'chavvy' England shirts and their tattoos and beer drinking etc

Using examples of other times that alcohol has caused riots doesn’t change the football culture link.

You clearly don’t understand it Holly. Did you miss the part where I’m not anti football? Neither am I a snob thank you very much.

The English football fans have a horrid reputation worldwide for hooliganism. Yes, it’s a minority, and yes the vast majority of English football fans are in no way like that, but the fact that some national team’s (not just England, Poland and Russia’s fans have pretty grim reputations too)b fans have a reputation for hooliganism cannot and should not be ignored.

Interestingly when GB hockey won Olympic gold, and when the World Cup is here soon, which we have good chances in, you won't see that kind of misbehaviour.

Hockey players and fans like a drink, believe me. Hockey tours are basically boozeathons.

But they won't be jumping on ambulances though, I would put money on it.

I'm not sure it's necessarily a "football" thing though, and more just a convenient excuse for certain parts of society to misbehave.

The Casablanca video is the funniest thing I’ve seen in a long time. Thank you AlecTrevelyan006.

With the greatest respect to hockey players, only about 200 people in the entire country give a toss about it.