To be sick of this 'it's coming home' nonsense

[autumn57565]

It's not coming home. Who ever said England is home? It makes us look idiotic to the rest of the world. Someone on the radio said they really believe England is going to win this year. The rest of the world must be pissing themselves looking at England cheering over such a mediocre team and having such delusions of grandeur.

It also seems to make people behave like hooligans. I've seen some crazy driving before the matches start, and people were making noise until the early hours last night.

It's just a game! We never get this excited about the olympics, Wimbledon or even Rugby.

That doesn’t dismiss a link with football. It makes the point that disorder happens with and without football as a cause.

Belgium or France will be winners I think.

The unusual thing about this England team is the lack of members who have form for drunken behaviour or unacceptable behaviour on the field.

The point is that there is demonstrably a hell of a lot more violence going on with football than without it.

Of course there’s an association with football and violence, it’s well documented. Perhaps those harping in about how fantastic it is for the country, everyone should be getting involved, it’s a national thing etc, etc, also spare a thought for the huge increase in numbers of dinetuc violence cases reported during the World Cup/Euro’s/major football events. An increase that doesn’t occur in other sporting events according to a Police interview I was listening to the other week.

I've tried Lady. As did the op. Too many people on this thread wanted to yell insults instead.

Oh Jesus. It’s not difficult.

DV happens around football because some men invest themselves in it, drink too much and their aggression spills out.

Organised violence around football happens for different reasons.

But in neither case is the game the source of the violence. Men who batter women do not stop between May and September.

An increase that doesn’t occur in other sporting events according to a Police interview I was listening to the other week

There’s in the region of a 25% increase in DV at Christmas though.

The overriding factor for me is alcohol. Whether that’s consumed because of a sporting event or not, I do think it’s impossible to say football = violence because it doesn’t occur in a vacuum. You’re looking at other contributing factors also?

I DO spare a thought for victims of DV. I am one! And was for decades between my violent parent and violent ex H. You're preaching to the choir regarding DV where I am concerned.

I can STILL feel proud, excited and happy about the World Cup though and understand that violent and anti social people would be violent and anti social anyway and just use this as an excuse to be even more violent and pathetic.

I hope every time you open a beer and enjoy it you think of how much harm alcohol causes in this country.

But in neither case is the game the source of the violence

Did you see the footage of cars and town centres being smashed up?

Wrongontheinternet

Do you understand that football is not a cause of violence any more than tiddlywinks or croquet are?

There is a drinking culture around football which often leads to violence...because lots of men drinking together often ends up that way. Although, far more often, it doesn't.

Unless you are profoundly idiotic, you don't blame the game....you blame the drinkers who get violent.

The kind of violence we've seen over the past couple of nights would vanish if alcohol disappeared off the planet....or if everyone was given a couple of joints and a tube of Pringles instead.

Therefore...football cannot possibly be the cause, can it?

Lots of people....35m in this country alone....are enjoying this tournament. If you are so gosh darn keen on "tolerance" then bog off and let us get on with it.

I hate football, but this is something different! Even l watched the match yesterday. I think it’s funny to see the excitement, and the songs are great too. In these miserable Brexit ridden days it’s great to see the unity in the country.

I also do t like the royals, but thought it was nice to see Wills watching it, and to see those guardsmen playing Footballs coming home.

The best thing I’ve seen so far is a wedding. On the hhmn board instead of having hymn numbers there was an English and s Swedish flag st the top. And the hymn number digits were used to update the score!

I think it’s kind of cute really.

I don't drink by the way, haven't for almost twenty years All you football hating alcohol drinkers really need to spare a thought on how your demand and consumption of alcohol contributes to normalising problematic drinking and subsequent violence...oh wait it doesn't really does it, just like my enjoying the football and getting behind England doesn't.

Unless you are profoundly idiotic, you don't blame the game....you blame the drinkers who get violent.

Uh huh. The drinkers wearing football shirts, singing football songs and smashing up towns and cars while shouting about football, are nothing to do with football.

Profoundly idiotic strikes me as somewhat ironic in that statement no?

There's a huge spike in DV at Christmas. Every year.

Male violence coupled with alcohol is the problem. Not football or Christmas.

How many of those smashing things up are sober? Can you really not see what the cause is, or do you actually believe that watching football by itself induces violence?

I am really, genuinely, proud of the England team.

On the whole, they've played with skill, intelligence and calm. They are a fantastic example to kids who play football and actually kids involved in any sport.

They are also a testament to the new way of thinking in sport and particularly football, where players are encouraged to use initiative and rely on set pieces when things get tense. Rather than just being at the whim of a volatile manager.

I think its absolutely brilliant.

@Plimmy none, but the fact you can’t see the link between football culture and hooliganism (in SOME fans, not all obviously) is worrying.

Oh and pregnancy too. Big rise in DV in pregnancy.

And no Plimmy I’m not stupid, as a football fan I’m well aware of the drinking culture inextricably linked with football.

So carry on completely denying a fact and acting like I’m the stupid one.

Doesn’t make you right.

"Causation" is so complicated.
Perhaps football "causes" violence like sugary drinks "cause" obesity. There are myriad other "causes", and you'd certainly still get obesity without sugary drinks, but there is a demonstrable association. And perhaps without sugary drinks there would be less obesity - who knows...?

So what's the solution?

For some fans, football is like a religion. And like all religions, football has it's extremists. Just because extremists behave badly, does not mean that we should tar all with the same brush.

Football has a drinking culture as others have said. Other sports do not have this to the same extent. It's not the fault of football. Hot weather and Christmas also have drinking cultures. Stag and Hen parties. The common theme is alcohol, not football.

The solution?
We stop getting verbally violent with each other and entrenching the football/non-football divide, and enjoy the sunshine

(That was to jorah. I don't really think I'm the arbiter of "the solution" )