To be sick of this 'it's coming home' nonsense

[autumn57565]

It's not coming home. Who ever said England is home? It makes us look idiotic to the rest of the world. Someone on the radio said they really believe England is going to win this year. The rest of the world must be pissing themselves looking at England cheering over such a mediocre team and having such delusions of grandeur.

It also seems to make people behave like hooligans. I've seen some crazy driving before the matches start, and people were making noise until the early hours last night.

It's just a game! We never get this excited about the olympics, Wimbledon or even Rugby.

Banana - OK I'll rephrase - I don't care much about watching others play sport generally. I don't get the entertainment value. I do like playing sport myself so maybe that's why. Also I don't care watching others win stuff when they are not related to me (so that goes for most awards/prizes - I am happy for them but can't get too worked up about it). Amongst the various sports I have to say I find football particularly uninteresting. I find the whole media appeal or generally fuss around it even more unappealing. Maybe I just don't like things which have a mass-appeal. Maybe I'm just a rebellious teenagers still lol :) I suppose I'm also not a strong believer when it comes to 'nationalist' pride or feeling. I'm of the mind that I could live anywhere and it is about the local community.

anyway as I said I don't mind at all others liking it so I'm not sure why you feel the need to attack me?
The over the top noise about it is a bit annoying but hey ho. Otherwise I did enjoy the fact that everyone has been busy watching football and we've enjoyed a more peaceful afternoon :) so I'm not bothered really! To each their own!

Because trashing a paramedic's first responder vehicle is such great stuff.

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I also think football brings the worse in people and whilst its not the fault of 'sensible' football fans it's just not worth it (imo) and it's such a massive waste of money. We should stop throwing so much money at the sport, maybe have a limit to apply to all sports in terms of coverage, pay etc and then we could develop the youngsters interest in other sports and cut down on the football related yob behaviour.

The most depressing thing about England's World Cup campaign is how determined some people are to trash it. What a bunch of joyless negative Nellies.

I was genuinely proud of the team yesterday. Hiding this thread.

@WrongOnTheInternet when did you last go to a football match?

There are very very few police in most grounds now. Those that are there are not highly visible. There may be some police around grounds before and after. In general, police presence is now very low. Last year there were 4 arrests for every 100,000 attendees at football matches which I think you'll agree is pretty low.

There are police at all major gatherings of lots of people.

What is this about fans smashing up an Ikea

Well i just did a search on google news for ikea, expecting to find srore broken in too and ransacked out of bizarre revenge. The only thing i can find is a group of fans singing outside one of its stores and an ikea spokes man saying yes there are some people celebrating in the stores, being both swedish and british they were on the edge of their seats congratelations to the england team and in celebration fish and chips is £1.

The smashing up of pubs is more like to happen in maner footfolly describes yobs jumping on the back of football father than fooball being the cause of it.

I actally have been at a match where there was very famously volence, i was at lansdown road in 95, even then as scared as i was i knew it wasnt the majority of fans, indeed england fans were just as distraght and scared as me.

It's not limited to the matches is it BitOutOfPractice
www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/gallery/mickleover-pub-violence-england-game-1746758

I often see smashed windows and fist fights near pubs after games. Most doesn't get reported, it's so normal and media is not effective nowadays. I am extremely sorry that the fashion for calling women who complain about male violence liars, bitter, jealous, misery-guts, spoilers of fun has re-surfaced - and on mumsnet among a bunch of women of all places. FFS, the link between football and violence in Britain is so well-known that it has its own wikipedia page.

I can’t really see the Facebook pictures linked to, but am I right to think that some fools danced on a paramedic vehicle and damaged it?

If so, very stupid. But this is hardly a reason to condemn the national football team and the many millions willing it on.

I find this thread increasingly unpleasant. The preening snobbery and the small mindedness of some of the antis is distasteful. As for dragging Brexit in...

The complaints about football not being the cause and football yobs not really being fans rather remind me of America's gun lobby too - "guns don't kill people, people do". You'd have to be blind deaf and dumb not to recognise that football does bring this out in Britain.

Naught, have you not seen the news? This stuff is going on all over the place. I don't like football myself but would never stop anyone enjoying something they like as long as its not hurting anyone else but the way some of these fans behave is awful and costs us a lot of money. I don't really understand your comment about the 70s? I'm glad you can enjoy the football without trashing a pub but unfortunately, many people can't.

Sorry can't remember who asked about IKEA but after the sweden match, (because of IKEA being Swedish) a group of football fans went into IKEA singing that football song while jumping on the beds and breaking things ect.

I can’t really see the Facebook pictures linked to, but am I right to think that some fools danced on a paramedic vehicle and damaged it?

If so, very stupid. But this is hardly a reason to condemn the national football team and the many millions willing it on.

The excuse that a football team is a reason for hooliganism is wrong.

@WrongOnTheInternet

The drinking culture is an endemic part of British culture that I abhor but it’s nonsense to say football is a sole cause.

I live near a “naice middle class town”. We have a music festival once a year. It’s absolute and total carnage. Far, far worse than anything that happens during sporting occasions.

I’ve been a football fan all my life. I have been to hundreds and thousands of matches. The people who cause trouble aren’t fans. They use it as a convenient vehicle to cause trouble. In the same way hooligans used to.

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/audio-video/ikea-staff-watch-in-horror-england-fans/

The problem isn't football, it's alcohol.

But you go on rubbishing people who play a game you don't understand while you are drinking your way through a bottle of wine. God forbid anyone should ban booze.

There was a comment upthread about lack of visible female football fans compared to sweden and other countries - it is because there is a large group of misogynistic twats who dominate, amongst all demographics of male football fans. And that goes for both the professional (football being a thing in the city and also often used for marketing) and the violent racist thugs who we read about in the press. Nothing to do with football having some strange psychological affect upon men. In the bar we were in yesterday, no one was tipsy and no one was violent, there were families there, everyone was just enthusiastic about the match.

I'm not nationalistic at all but I enjoy the feelgood factor that has arisen during the world cup. It's not like we couldn't do with a bit of positivity in the country at the moment and we could certainly do with a bit of unity. Yes, there are always some rotten eggs that spoil it for the rest of us but I can't help but feel that people that are being negative obviously don't like football as a sport and are finding reasons to reinforce their argument rather than being people who love football but are put off by what they see as 'negative' behaviour.

Mishmash I just Goolged it so yes I have seen the news no smashing up of ikea stores, though, ikea inviting England fans in for cheap fish and chips yes.

Quite possibly the stupidest, most Ill-timed and most life-sucking AIBU ever.

This!

It's coming home!!!

I'm quite enjoying your decent run in the world cup.

Boys at school are full of the naiaivity of youth that we are going to win it, I've bet a few Belgium will.

But I'm sick of the ridiculous chanting/singing. It's just.....boring now.

Needless to say, when it's the Hockey world cup in London in a fortnight, I'll be singing it's coming home until I annoy all the footie fans. Taste of their own medicine?!

Mrs Marple - love the hockey too!!!

don't really understand your comment about the 70s? I'm glad you can enjoy the football without trashing a pub but unfortunately, many people can't.

Well the fact you don't understand the comment about the 70s shows what you know about football volence, NOTHING. THE 70s dear is when yes yes England had a massive massive problem with trouble. Football has come a very very very long way. As for your many can't, you are completely compleately wrong, thousands no millions enjoy the game every weekend, a few hundred idiots getting drunk in the name of idiocy is not a reason to wish a team to loose you are vile and nasty

I was sick of the very drunk men wandering well staggering along our street last night around 12.30am shouting about it all and singing songs. Went on for ages. I had an earlish night as was fairly tired. Then had that as I was trying to go to sleep. Along with the neighbours a few doors down having a massive argument, i finally went to sleep around half 2, and was up at 7 with ds.

Oh yes, I forgot to add the barrage of complaints about being unpatriotic and spoiling the feelgood and 'unity' as well.

When does "unity" and feelgood become enforced conformism? Unity with what exactly? Why in hell should I have to support anything associated with civic violence?

If I wanted to spoil other's fun I would be pissing all over the harmless 'let's enjoy the football' threads. Clue: I'm not. Perhaps you can extend the same courtesy to those of us who don't like either the game or the violence which football is very famously, very closely associated with? Perhaps stopping the minimising might go a little way to stopping the tolerance of violence? Perhaps accepting that other people have a right not to enjoy one particular bloody stupid game might go some way to extending tolerance of other ways of living?

The excuse that a football team is a reason for hooliganism is wrong.

That makes no sense. Nobody is excusing blind drunkenness, violence or vandalism. Whether it’s football fans or hoorays at May Balls.

Whoever made the gun comparison, it’s absurd.

Remainscominghome
Isn't the point of the England team that they're English?