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AIBU in wondering why people are STILL walking their dogs in this weather? *trigger warning*

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ProfessorMoody · 29/06/2018 10:31

This was posted by my vet on Facebook. It's a long and distreasing read, but please, if you're one of the people walking your dogs in this heat, don't do it Sad

Heatstroke Warning for Dog Owners

Heat Stroke – what’s the big deal?
There are a lot of posts warning dog owners to be careful in the hot weather, but still there are dogs being exercised at inappropriate times of the day. When the weather is as hot as it is, as suddenly as it is, it may even be inappropriate to exercise your dog at all.

Why does everyone make such a fuss about dogs getting too hot? Clearly there are far too many owners who don’t understand the importance of the warnings. The fact is, excess heat can all too easily be fatal – yes fatal – your dog will die. Not just die, they will die a particularly horrible death.

In all the many warnings and articles that are around there doesn’t seem to be any description of the process of heatstroke and how it actually causes a dog to die. Well maybe they should, because perhaps then owners would be a bit more serious in their efforts to protect their dogs.

If you are of an easily offended disposition, don’t continue reading. However, if you are of an easily offended disposition and still take your dog out in the heat then continue reading and be offended but educated. You have been warned

Today a dog died of severe heat stroke – exercised at 9 o’clock in the morning. If it was a child, the parents would be convicted of man slaughter and sent to prison. The long coated dog was being exercised in the local park at 9am this morning – it was already 21˚C. The owners where throwing a ball for the dog. Our loyal faithful friends will still pander to our requests of going with us for a walk or fetching the ball thrown even when they are under extreme stress of excessive heat. They don’t know to self regulate, because their pack leader has instructed them to walk with them or chase a ball etc.

I turned up to the local park to park my car and walk to work. It was in the car park that I discovered the dog with the owners next to their car, suffering from severe heat stroke. The scene was; the dog lying flat out on his side, semi-conscious, with extreme panting. His mouth and tongue were swollen up and a dark red/purple colour, there was a white frothy coating of saliva, the tongue and gums being fairly dry. The owners were trying to get the dog to drink some water, but the dog was entirely unable to do so. His belly was distended from panting and gulping air; this in itself can then restrict breathing.

I was not equipped to take the dog’s temperature, but I could feel it was dangerously high. His pulse however was unusually slow. I had water in my car and dowsed the dog’s coat down and we wetted a towel to stretcher the dog in to the car and for him to lay on in transit.

The dog was not registered with my practice, so I instructed the owner to take the dog to their own vet immediately.

Once I had finished my shift at work, I phoned the owner’s vet to see if they could tell me how the dog was. He was dead. A 5 year old, fit and healthy dog - dead. A death that was completely preventable. I asked the vet for detaila explaining that I was going to write this post. They were in support as long as names weren’t mentioned. Names are irrelevant, as this story will be happening all over the country.

The owners took the dog straight to their practice were he was treated immediately. His body temperature was just shy of 42˚C. A normal temperature range for a dog is 38.3˚C to 39.2˚C, a rise of just 1 – 2˚C can have major effects on the dog’s body systems. The nurses commenced cooling of the dog and the vet put him on a drip with rapid infusion of fluids and electrolytes. However, within 10 – 15 mins of being admitted the dog began to seizure. Seizures are caused when the electrical impulses in the brain misfire and cause like an electrical storm in the brain so the muscle fibres of the body rapidly twitch uncontrollably. In this case, the excess heat in the brain disturbs the electrical impulses. This is an added issue as the activity of the muscles then acts to increase the dog’s temperature even more. It was at this point that the vet went to gain consent to administer anaesthetic to the dog to try and reduce the seizure and lower the respiratory rate. But as the vet was talking to the owner, approximately 20 mins after arriving at the practice, the dog began to vomit and pass diarrhoea. The vomit and diarrhoea was full of blood. This even to the untrained reader, you can appreciate is bad news.

Once this was discovered, the dog’s gums were checked and small red/black spots were present, along with areas of bleeding on the abdomen. At this point the vet had to return to the owners and request consent for euthanasia.

The dog was suffering from disseminated intravascular coagulopathy. This is a fancy veterinary term that means the dog’s body systems was unable to clot his blood and therefore he was bleeding internally. In the veterinary world, it is nicknamed Death Is Coming. The process is not fully understood, but it is thought that the excess temperature prevents the body from performing the myriad of chemical reactions that allow it to function normally. Loosely, this causes the body to activate clotting, causing hundred of clots within the body. Once all the clotting factors are used up, the blood can no longer clot, so widespread haemorrhage ensues. It causes major organ failure; the kidneys, the liver, the heart and the lungs cease to function effectively. With a bit of luck, the dog is unconscious by this stage, as this must be hugely uncomfortable and a terrifying death.

For all those dog owners who think this was because the dog was chasing a ball and that is why he overheated, this can happen with your dog sat in the sun in the garden. It can take up to 60 days for a dog to acclimatise to a change in climate. I am pretty sure 60 days ago it was pouring with rain.

Once the dog becomes mildly overheated, unless they are cooled, they will continue to overheat. Dogs cannot sweat effectively and can only really lose body heat through panting. The process of panting can in itself cause excess body temperature if it is prolonged or laboured.

So, if you think it is too hot to put a thick coat on and go for a run, don’t make your dog do the same. If you think it is too hot to sit in direct sunshine for more than a few minutes whilst wearing a woolly jumper, then don’t make your dog do so. If it is too hot to stand on the pavement with your shoe and socks off, then don’t make your dog walk on it. If you don’t want to sit in your car without the air con on even if you have all windows wound down, don’t leave your dog in the car. If you are ever in any doubt of how to care for your dog in the warm or hot weather, speak your local vet practice. Better to speak to them now than your vet speaking to you to request consent for euthanasia.

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NotARegularPenguin · 29/06/2018 15:07

If I was just pottering round the village I think dog would be ok at 21 degrees, doing 2000ft of ascent over three miles and then back again is different I reckon. Maybe dog would be ok but I don’t want to risk it?? Will miss her though if I leave her at home as she’s my walking buddy.

YorkieDorkie · 29/06/2018 15:16

I find it terrifying that so many dog owners have no idea of the way dogs do and don't work. They're not capable of perspiring and yet so many are left in hot cars, are exercised inappropriately or have their coats interfered with.

If you want to own an animal, you should know something about them. It's only fair.

golondrina · 29/06/2018 15:17

I'm really sorry to hear of dogs becoming ill and dying but at the same time I don't relly get this. We live in southern Spain and it's quite cool for the time of year and only about 35ºC, in the summer it can get to 43ºC or even higher. We have a little old dog, a mongrel, we think a mix of corgi and something else. She has a really thick woolly coat that we clip short in the summer, but it's still quite a "warm" coat.
She is old now so doesn't like long walks, but goes it very briefly morning, lunchtime and night and walks on pavement. She's never burnt her paws and never suffered particularly from the heat. She often lies on the patio in full sun and then comes in again.
Is it just that she's used to the temperatures?

siwel123 · 29/06/2018 15:18

But it isn't just 21 degrees here.
It was 27 degrees from around 12 to 2 and it has only just gone down to 24 degrees.

Topseyt · 29/06/2018 15:28

I don't walk my labrador in this heat. Sometimes a very short trot in shady areas late in the evening, just for a quick change of scenery.

He is old, he also has age related collapsing windpipe which is very much worse in hot weather when he needs to pant more. So no energetic walkies. The garden is quite shady for the most part, so suitable and he is able to wander in and out of that if he wants to. He seems quite sensible and doesn't lie in the sun for longer than a few minutes, though I do keep a watch on him.

Some people really are just arses. Yes, dogs need walks, but not at all costs. You need to use common sense to decide if and when it is safe to walk them.

TookyClothespin · 29/06/2018 15:29

Mine is walked at 6am at the moment, and that includes a swim in the sea. He has free run of the house and garden and will mostly lie in the shade but does go in the sun for short periods. His water is refreshed hourly as he's a snob and won't drink it if left out so we make sure it's always fresh for him.
Same every summer, and he's made it to the grand age of 11 so don't think we've done badly by him.
I'd never run him in this weather though!

Strokethefurrywall · 29/06/2018 15:41

I'm sorry, are people not walking their dogs because it's going to be over 21oc? Am I missing something? How is that too hot?

siwel123 · 29/06/2018 15:45

People aren't walking them during midday they're walking early morning and later at night / in the evening.
Why?
Because the pavements is hot, put the back of your hand or your bare feet on it for a few minutes and it hurts.
They can overheat, rubbing and moving about in hot weather isn't great for them

So most people are still walking their dog just not during midday when the conditions are the worst

Trampire · 29/06/2018 15:49

Glad you posted this.

I've been walking my dog at 8am at local woodlands, it's very dense foliage with a pond at the end of the trail for a swim. We don't throw balls, and we don't go on pavements.

This morning the temperature was quite pleasant, but I'll be extra vigilant whilst it's very hot.

SoyDora · 29/06/2018 15:55

I'm sorry, are people not walking their dogs because it's going to be over 21oc? Am I missing something? How is that too hot?

It has been far hotter than 21 degrees where I am.

Greenday49 · 29/06/2018 15:59

I've let my husky/mal cross have a run around a field for ten minutes. No pavement walking to get there though and I feel no walk at all and she'd be a nightmare. House is cool and she has plenty of fresh water. I wont walk her her usual long walk in this weather at all. It's just not fair.

WinehouseAmy · 29/06/2018 16:07

What are the opinions on working dogs such as guide dogs and assistance dogs? Are the owners expected to stay confined to their gardens/houses?

ByeMF · 29/06/2018 16:16

My old lab is totally confused by this weather. He's so hot he's panting in the house. Had a walk at 6am, won't get his 'afternoon' walk til 9pm. It's awful, every time I go near the front door he wants to go out but it's 26 degrees out there!

And yet at lunchtime I saw someone walking a german shepherd puppy in full sun Hmm

umpteennamechanges · 29/06/2018 16:17

@ProfessorMoody I think we must live in the same small village (unless lots of vets are posting it and pretending they wrote it)?

Topseyt · 29/06/2018 16:22

Stroke, 21 degrees would probably be OK. It is far hotter than that though.

It has been well over 30 degrees here most days, despite what the official figures on the weather forecast say. It is far too hot for most dogs, but especially for ones with his medical conditions which are worse in heat. My vet advises not walking my labrador when it is hot, as his collapsing windpipe will mean that he cannot catch his breath if he has to pant much. This makes him very prone to collapse. He'll, it has happened when he wasn't even out on a walk. It is both scary and dangerous.

How thick would I have to be to do something that I know will make things worse and could kill him?

ProfessorMoody · 29/06/2018 16:32

@umpteennamechanges

South West Wales?

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PlatypusPie · 29/06/2018 16:37

@ohmydayslove

I think people were worried about smashing a window and the glass hurting the dog - it wasn’t in a back compartment/open boot on an estate car etc. Actually, thinking about it, the police may well have smashed the window ( in a safe police like manner !) since what was recounted to me was that ‘they had got the poor thing out’and they did come very quickly. It wasn’t that anyone was in the least bothered about damaging the car.

The thoughtlessness of it really rankled with me all day.

Toooldtobearsed · 29/06/2018 16:44

I always, summer and winter, walk mine at between 5-6am. We walk for 1.5 hours, through woodland. I come home, have breakfast, tidy up and we are back out again, usually 8:30ish, for 30 minutes or so.
Today, second walj, i was practically dragging them home. It did not feel hot to me but must have been oppressive - I have labs. They are stupid and want to run everywhere. Not today, or yesterday.
First walk, no problem.
Second walk, a slog.
Third walk will be at 7pm ish, but looking at them now, cant imagine much enthusiasm for it 😁

flyingspaghettimonster · 29/06/2018 16:48

We have a Great Pyr and a Great Pyr - Siberian Husky cross. We don't take them out till night time now, it is regularly over 100degrees in the summer where we live. I hate seeing dogs walking on pavements humans would never walk on, burning their paws.

LakieLady · 29/06/2018 17:04

My lakie has her coat stripped right back atm, no undercoat at all. I walk her very early (5.45 this morning) and half the route is through woods and some of the rest on shaded footpaths. She doesn't seem bothered about an evening walk.

She seems to spend most of the rest of her day lying outside on the back step, which is in shade almost the entire day and gets a nice breeze where wind funnels between house and garage. She has a dog flap, so can come in whenever she wants, and there are some cool spots in the house as I leave a lot of upstairs windows open, with curtains shut.

A friend told me that you can improvise a cool pad with the water-retaining granules people use in hanging baskets. You soak them, put them in a big plastic bag or bin liner, chill them in the fridge and then cover them with a pillow case or duvet cover. She uses them in her dog cages when she takes the dogs to shows.

Strokethefurrywall · 29/06/2018 17:05

Well of course if it's + 27oc hot hot then don't walk your dog in the middle of the day, but 21oc is NOT too hot for dogs to be walked, run around in a park or go outside and lay down.

The world has gone mad when we're worrying about letting a dog chase a ball in 21oc...

mydogisthebest · 29/06/2018 17:08

The dog that died was NOT just being walked in 21degrees. It was chasing a ball. People may think that is fine and safe but it obviously isn't.

It may have been muggy too. The morning I walked my dog and he panted on return home for 25 minutes it was overcast when we started the walk but then quickly became very muggy. We walked back straight away (about 20 minutes). His back wasn't warm at all and he had drunk water on the walk.

Dogs do also burn their pads on hot pavements. No good saying "well my dog never has" because plenty do. I have seen photos of them and heard of people that it has happened to.

Surely it is better to be overprotective and keep your dog safe than risking distress or even death?

I assume dogs in hot countries are more used to the heat. We don't normally get such hot weather and also, typical of British weather, it goes from being fairly chilly to red hot so dogs do not have a chance to get used to it

mydogisthebest · 29/06/2018 17:09

strokethefurrywall, well if you have a dog you carry on letting them run around at 21degrees. I, and many others, won't be risking our dogs

scantilylace · 29/06/2018 17:35

We were meant to be going to a try agility class tomorrow at midday. They've posted that there'll be frequent breaks, a tent to go into and canine first-aiders there.... umm, no thanks... not risking it!

ProfessorMoody · 29/06/2018 17:36

Stroke - it's a combination of the heat and the fact that dogs in this country aren't used to these temperatures. Obviously it was too hot for the dog to be chasing a ball, as the dog is dead.

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