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AIBU in wondering why people are STILL walking their dogs in this weather? *trigger warning*

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ProfessorMoody · 29/06/2018 10:31

This was posted by my vet on Facebook. It's a long and distreasing read, but please, if you're one of the people walking your dogs in this heat, don't do it Sad

Heatstroke Warning for Dog Owners

Heat Stroke – what’s the big deal?
There are a lot of posts warning dog owners to be careful in the hot weather, but still there are dogs being exercised at inappropriate times of the day. When the weather is as hot as it is, as suddenly as it is, it may even be inappropriate to exercise your dog at all.

Why does everyone make such a fuss about dogs getting too hot? Clearly there are far too many owners who don’t understand the importance of the warnings. The fact is, excess heat can all too easily be fatal – yes fatal – your dog will die. Not just die, they will die a particularly horrible death.

In all the many warnings and articles that are around there doesn’t seem to be any description of the process of heatstroke and how it actually causes a dog to die. Well maybe they should, because perhaps then owners would be a bit more serious in their efforts to protect their dogs.

If you are of an easily offended disposition, don’t continue reading. However, if you are of an easily offended disposition and still take your dog out in the heat then continue reading and be offended but educated. You have been warned

Today a dog died of severe heat stroke – exercised at 9 o’clock in the morning. If it was a child, the parents would be convicted of man slaughter and sent to prison. The long coated dog was being exercised in the local park at 9am this morning – it was already 21˚C. The owners where throwing a ball for the dog. Our loyal faithful friends will still pander to our requests of going with us for a walk or fetching the ball thrown even when they are under extreme stress of excessive heat. They don’t know to self regulate, because their pack leader has instructed them to walk with them or chase a ball etc.

I turned up to the local park to park my car and walk to work. It was in the car park that I discovered the dog with the owners next to their car, suffering from severe heat stroke. The scene was; the dog lying flat out on his side, semi-conscious, with extreme panting. His mouth and tongue were swollen up and a dark red/purple colour, there was a white frothy coating of saliva, the tongue and gums being fairly dry. The owners were trying to get the dog to drink some water, but the dog was entirely unable to do so. His belly was distended from panting and gulping air; this in itself can then restrict breathing.

I was not equipped to take the dog’s temperature, but I could feel it was dangerously high. His pulse however was unusually slow. I had water in my car and dowsed the dog’s coat down and we wetted a towel to stretcher the dog in to the car and for him to lay on in transit.

The dog was not registered with my practice, so I instructed the owner to take the dog to their own vet immediately.

Once I had finished my shift at work, I phoned the owner’s vet to see if they could tell me how the dog was. He was dead. A 5 year old, fit and healthy dog - dead. A death that was completely preventable. I asked the vet for detaila explaining that I was going to write this post. They were in support as long as names weren’t mentioned. Names are irrelevant, as this story will be happening all over the country.

The owners took the dog straight to their practice were he was treated immediately. His body temperature was just shy of 42˚C. A normal temperature range for a dog is 38.3˚C to 39.2˚C, a rise of just 1 – 2˚C can have major effects on the dog’s body systems. The nurses commenced cooling of the dog and the vet put him on a drip with rapid infusion of fluids and electrolytes. However, within 10 – 15 mins of being admitted the dog began to seizure. Seizures are caused when the electrical impulses in the brain misfire and cause like an electrical storm in the brain so the muscle fibres of the body rapidly twitch uncontrollably. In this case, the excess heat in the brain disturbs the electrical impulses. This is an added issue as the activity of the muscles then acts to increase the dog’s temperature even more. It was at this point that the vet went to gain consent to administer anaesthetic to the dog to try and reduce the seizure and lower the respiratory rate. But as the vet was talking to the owner, approximately 20 mins after arriving at the practice, the dog began to vomit and pass diarrhoea. The vomit and diarrhoea was full of blood. This even to the untrained reader, you can appreciate is bad news.

Once this was discovered, the dog’s gums were checked and small red/black spots were present, along with areas of bleeding on the abdomen. At this point the vet had to return to the owners and request consent for euthanasia.

The dog was suffering from disseminated intravascular coagulopathy. This is a fancy veterinary term that means the dog’s body systems was unable to clot his blood and therefore he was bleeding internally. In the veterinary world, it is nicknamed Death Is Coming. The process is not fully understood, but it is thought that the excess temperature prevents the body from performing the myriad of chemical reactions that allow it to function normally. Loosely, this causes the body to activate clotting, causing hundred of clots within the body. Once all the clotting factors are used up, the blood can no longer clot, so widespread haemorrhage ensues. It causes major organ failure; the kidneys, the liver, the heart and the lungs cease to function effectively. With a bit of luck, the dog is unconscious by this stage, as this must be hugely uncomfortable and a terrifying death.

For all those dog owners who think this was because the dog was chasing a ball and that is why he overheated, this can happen with your dog sat in the sun in the garden. It can take up to 60 days for a dog to acclimatise to a change in climate. I am pretty sure 60 days ago it was pouring with rain.

Once the dog becomes mildly overheated, unless they are cooled, they will continue to overheat. Dogs cannot sweat effectively and can only really lose body heat through panting. The process of panting can in itself cause excess body temperature if it is prolonged or laboured.

So, if you think it is too hot to put a thick coat on and go for a run, don’t make your dog do the same. If you think it is too hot to sit in direct sunshine for more than a few minutes whilst wearing a woolly jumper, then don’t make your dog do so. If it is too hot to stand on the pavement with your shoe and socks off, then don’t make your dog walk on it. If you don’t want to sit in your car without the air con on even if you have all windows wound down, don’t leave your dog in the car. If you are ever in any doubt of how to care for your dog in the warm or hot weather, speak your local vet practice. Better to speak to them now than your vet speaking to you to request consent for euthanasia.

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ProfessorMoody · 29/06/2018 11:07

Cooling system! Sorry

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beeefcake · 29/06/2018 11:11

Poor little baby. Too many sad stories this time of year about dogs in cars etc. I do wonder how on earth people can be so bloody stupid.

Even if I am just sitting in the garden with my dogs I am obsessively covering them with cold water (which they aren't too pleased with). Walks are totally out of the question in this heat.

Cath2907 · 29/06/2018 11:12

Mine goes for his walk in the woods by the river. His first order of the walk is to hop in the water. He is a long coated breed and his coat is still damp now from this mornings walk. In the morning we walk down to the wood (10 mins along pavement and before 8am). In the afternoon I drive down so he gets out of the air conditioned car straight into the cool under the trees.

When it isn't so hot we use lots of other walks nearby but without access to the river. I think he'd get too hot doing that today.

Last night he slept in the garden (went out through his dog door and stayed out). He didn't come in until 6 this morning! Normally he sleeps upstairs but it seems it was too hot for him!

Last Saturday my little dog bowl and bottle of water was used by 5 different dogs at the local fete whose owners were out with them for the afternoon without taking them water. We were also the only ones sat in the shade. I do sometimes wonder if these guys think about how hot it must be walking around in a wooly jumper!

DavetheCat2001 · 29/06/2018 11:14

Forgive my ignorance as a non-dog owner, but does the same apply to cats and should they be encouraged in when it's hot, or are they better at finding a shady spot?

My cat is a real house cat and whilst she likes to have a bit of a forage around the garden, she is happiest on our bed as our bedroom is nice and cool.

spiderlight · 29/06/2018 11:14

It's crazy - do people not think?! Ours has been going for a short shady walk along a riverbank early in the morning, sleeping all day and then going out again at about 9pm if he asks to go. He's 15 so he doesn't really run much any more, but I really don't know what possesses people to take their dogs out in the heat of the day. :(

GoldenHoops · 29/06/2018 11:16

My newfies are walked around 5am and again at 9pm. The rest of the time they have their own paddling pool under a shade. Quite happy wandering to and fro as they please.

BrexitWife · 29/06/2018 11:18

If it was a child, the parents would be convicted of man slaughter and sent to prison
I’m sorry but the point is It wasn’t about a child but about a dog.... please don’t compare a child to a dog. A child isn’t the same than an animal.

Having said that, I agree with your comment. But seeing that people dint have any idea of what they shouod be doing in that weather (eg no you dint have lunch in the full sun with that sort of temperature!) I’m not surprised people down know what to do with their dog.

I’m also surprised (because I dint have a dog and know nothing about dogs maybe) that 21oC is enough to kill a dog from running around like they normally do. Maybe because I’ve lived in tropical countries where dogs live and are healthy. And run around too. So that not a connexion I wouod ever make. In full sun, at midday when it’s 28oC maybe but not at 21oC, which is a temperature we normally get in the summer anyway. I mean I’ve never heard about warning of not letting your dog run around any other summer. At the temperatures were in that range too.

crispysausagerolls · 29/06/2018 11:19

You can’t make a blanket statement like that because it depends on the circumstances:

I have a working cocker, and if i followed what you are saying I would not have been able to walk him all week - he would have flipped out. Instead I take him at cooler times, only ever walking on the grass and not the hot pavement (we live opposite a park), and ALWAYS first thing in the park he goes for a swim so he is nice and cool while he runs around. Plus walks are obviously much shorter. What do you think people in hot countries do? Just never walk their dogs?

pigsDOfly · 29/06/2018 11:20

My dog hasn't had a walk for several days, except for late yesterday when it cooled down considerably. It seems very warm still late into the evening but there was a lovely breeze yesterday.

We play in the house - she's small - and she sits in the shady part of the garden. I must admit she really enjoyed her walk yesterday and she is getting a bit stir crazy, but better that than a horrible death.

argumentativefeminist · 29/06/2018 11:20

DavetheCat Cats can get heatstroke! It's best to look up the symptoms online just so you're aware, but it sounds like yours is good at staying inside where it's cool! There's some additional risk factors to consider also - here's a summary by RSPCA Australia.

AIBU in wondering why people are STILL walking their dogs in this weather? *trigger warning*
SluttyButty · 29/06/2018 11:21

On our local fb page there has been a heated discussion between someone who said their dog was absolutely fine going out in 30deg heat and quite happy. They were laid into about the dangers but they still insisted the dog would go out. I bet there are fb groups up and down the country with similar discussions.

Mine hasn't been out at all apart from the odd trot to the garden for the loo and after 7pm when it's cool and breezy. She's using all her energy up just being alive.

argumentativefeminist · 29/06/2018 11:22

@BrexitWife Dogs in hot countries will have adapted more to the heat as it is a more common occurrence for them. But like it says in the OP, this takes a long time (60 days approx) before they are used to the heat and have less (but still some) chance of getting overheated.

BrexitWife · 29/06/2018 11:24

At 21oC which is a NORMAL summer temperatures for the uk?

nervousnails · 29/06/2018 11:26

Mine are out at 6 am to the lake for a swim and 10 pm for a short walk to the local green. The rest of the time, they are comatose under the trees in the garden.

Nikephorus · 29/06/2018 11:27

DDog here loves to lie in the full sun but then takes herself off indoors to cool off. We walk at c6am when it's cooler (warm today though). But the other night when we went to bed she was panting like mad (seriously fast breathing) so I ended up getting her a bowl of water to drink and put a wet tea towel over her to cool her off (worked a treat). I've been even more careful of getting the bedroom cooled down at night since then.

DavetheCat2001 · 29/06/2018 11:28

Thank you argumentativefeminist

Greenday49 · 29/06/2018 11:30

Could you possibly PM me a link so I can share this on fb? My dog seems to be doing OK, but I've seen other long haired breeds out and about where I live.

evilharpy · 29/06/2018 11:34

Davethecat I was going to ask the same. One of my cats is a real sun worshipper and has been constantly at the back door mithering to go outside. Our garden is NE facing and has plenty of shady spots and she has access to lots of water to drink so I've been letting her go out when she asks. I've been checking her paws which look absolutely fine, and she's kept in all day while we're at work (but allowed out in the daytime on my non working days and weekends). I hope I'm doing the right thing.

The other one isn't interested in going out, I think he struggles with the heat a bit and has been lying around the house looking knackered.

pigsDOfly · 29/06/2018 11:41

DavetheCat. Cats being more autonomous are more able to decided for themselves when it comes to finding a shady spot and seem to be a bit more sensible about it, at least that was my experience when I had my two cats. Although clearly cats can get heatstroke so still need to be watched, also regarding sunburn for those cats who do like to sit out in the sun.

But if someone sticks a lead on a dog and walks it on a boiling hot pavement or round a hot park there's not a lot it can do except go with it - although having said that I suspect my dog would just sit down and refuse to move.

My DD and her DP walking through the park a couple of days ago past a guy who was throwing a ball for a very reluctant and tired looked german shepherd. DP said something to him about him not wanting to chase a ball while wearing a coat in this heat and the guy just looked at him as if he had no idea what he was talking about.

Unfortunately some people just have no clue and it's the poor dog who suffers.

Jenasaurus · 29/06/2018 11:43

I wondered about this recently. I was drinking coffee in a cafe and sitting outside were 3 large fury dogs lying down with their owner looking exhausted and panting. Photo of a similar type of dog below, I mentioned it to my friend, but as a non dog owner and because they had 3 I assumed they knew what they were doing.

AIBU in wondering why people are STILL walking their dogs in this weather? *trigger warning*
starcrossedseahorse · 29/06/2018 11:43

We walk ours at around 10pm at the moment as he is a very energetic and would go nutty without any walk at all. However he has only limited time out and is safely indoors for most of the day. I would rather that he was a bit fizzy for a day or two than risk his life.

Some people are so ignorant that they should never have a dog.

ProfessorMoody · 29/06/2018 11:45

Just to make it clear, I didn't write the post, I just copied it from Facebook, so haven't made the statements about comparing it to a child etc Smile

Unfortunately I can't provide a link as it's on a closed group for my local vet. Sorry.

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starcrossedseahorse · 29/06/2018 11:47

And BrexitWife who are you to police the thread and tell people what to say? Its a valid comparison in my book and if it shocks people in to doing the right thing for their animal then all the better.

And while we are at it, people need to think about the welfare of caged animals outside in the heat. Many, many rabbits and guineas die because idiots keep them outside in the sun.

crispysausagerolls · 29/06/2018 11:52

What’s really fucked up though BTW, ESPECIALLY in this weather but even just normally, are people who cycle with their poor dog running alongside. Dog can’t stop when it wants to. Really cunty behaviour.

starcrossedseahorse · 29/06/2018 11:54

I agree. It's cruelty.