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AIBU in wondering why people are STILL walking their dogs in this weather? *trigger warning*

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ProfessorMoody · 29/06/2018 10:31

This was posted by my vet on Facebook. It's a long and distreasing read, but please, if you're one of the people walking your dogs in this heat, don't do it Sad

Heatstroke Warning for Dog Owners

Heat Stroke – what’s the big deal?
There are a lot of posts warning dog owners to be careful in the hot weather, but still there are dogs being exercised at inappropriate times of the day. When the weather is as hot as it is, as suddenly as it is, it may even be inappropriate to exercise your dog at all.

Why does everyone make such a fuss about dogs getting too hot? Clearly there are far too many owners who don’t understand the importance of the warnings. The fact is, excess heat can all too easily be fatal – yes fatal – your dog will die. Not just die, they will die a particularly horrible death.

In all the many warnings and articles that are around there doesn’t seem to be any description of the process of heatstroke and how it actually causes a dog to die. Well maybe they should, because perhaps then owners would be a bit more serious in their efforts to protect their dogs.

If you are of an easily offended disposition, don’t continue reading. However, if you are of an easily offended disposition and still take your dog out in the heat then continue reading and be offended but educated. You have been warned

Today a dog died of severe heat stroke – exercised at 9 o’clock in the morning. If it was a child, the parents would be convicted of man slaughter and sent to prison. The long coated dog was being exercised in the local park at 9am this morning – it was already 21˚C. The owners where throwing a ball for the dog. Our loyal faithful friends will still pander to our requests of going with us for a walk or fetching the ball thrown even when they are under extreme stress of excessive heat. They don’t know to self regulate, because their pack leader has instructed them to walk with them or chase a ball etc.

I turned up to the local park to park my car and walk to work. It was in the car park that I discovered the dog with the owners next to their car, suffering from severe heat stroke. The scene was; the dog lying flat out on his side, semi-conscious, with extreme panting. His mouth and tongue were swollen up and a dark red/purple colour, there was a white frothy coating of saliva, the tongue and gums being fairly dry. The owners were trying to get the dog to drink some water, but the dog was entirely unable to do so. His belly was distended from panting and gulping air; this in itself can then restrict breathing.

I was not equipped to take the dog’s temperature, but I could feel it was dangerously high. His pulse however was unusually slow. I had water in my car and dowsed the dog’s coat down and we wetted a towel to stretcher the dog in to the car and for him to lay on in transit.

The dog was not registered with my practice, so I instructed the owner to take the dog to their own vet immediately.

Once I had finished my shift at work, I phoned the owner’s vet to see if they could tell me how the dog was. He was dead. A 5 year old, fit and healthy dog - dead. A death that was completely preventable. I asked the vet for detaila explaining that I was going to write this post. They were in support as long as names weren’t mentioned. Names are irrelevant, as this story will be happening all over the country.

The owners took the dog straight to their practice were he was treated immediately. His body temperature was just shy of 42˚C. A normal temperature range for a dog is 38.3˚C to 39.2˚C, a rise of just 1 – 2˚C can have major effects on the dog’s body systems. The nurses commenced cooling of the dog and the vet put him on a drip with rapid infusion of fluids and electrolytes. However, within 10 – 15 mins of being admitted the dog began to seizure. Seizures are caused when the electrical impulses in the brain misfire and cause like an electrical storm in the brain so the muscle fibres of the body rapidly twitch uncontrollably. In this case, the excess heat in the brain disturbs the electrical impulses. This is an added issue as the activity of the muscles then acts to increase the dog’s temperature even more. It was at this point that the vet went to gain consent to administer anaesthetic to the dog to try and reduce the seizure and lower the respiratory rate. But as the vet was talking to the owner, approximately 20 mins after arriving at the practice, the dog began to vomit and pass diarrhoea. The vomit and diarrhoea was full of blood. This even to the untrained reader, you can appreciate is bad news.

Once this was discovered, the dog’s gums were checked and small red/black spots were present, along with areas of bleeding on the abdomen. At this point the vet had to return to the owners and request consent for euthanasia.

The dog was suffering from disseminated intravascular coagulopathy. This is a fancy veterinary term that means the dog’s body systems was unable to clot his blood and therefore he was bleeding internally. In the veterinary world, it is nicknamed Death Is Coming. The process is not fully understood, but it is thought that the excess temperature prevents the body from performing the myriad of chemical reactions that allow it to function normally. Loosely, this causes the body to activate clotting, causing hundred of clots within the body. Once all the clotting factors are used up, the blood can no longer clot, so widespread haemorrhage ensues. It causes major organ failure; the kidneys, the liver, the heart and the lungs cease to function effectively. With a bit of luck, the dog is unconscious by this stage, as this must be hugely uncomfortable and a terrifying death.

For all those dog owners who think this was because the dog was chasing a ball and that is why he overheated, this can happen with your dog sat in the sun in the garden. It can take up to 60 days for a dog to acclimatise to a change in climate. I am pretty sure 60 days ago it was pouring with rain.

Once the dog becomes mildly overheated, unless they are cooled, they will continue to overheat. Dogs cannot sweat effectively and can only really lose body heat through panting. The process of panting can in itself cause excess body temperature if it is prolonged or laboured.

So, if you think it is too hot to put a thick coat on and go for a run, don’t make your dog do the same. If you think it is too hot to sit in direct sunshine for more than a few minutes whilst wearing a woolly jumper, then don’t make your dog do so. If it is too hot to stand on the pavement with your shoe and socks off, then don’t make your dog walk on it. If you don’t want to sit in your car without the air con on even if you have all windows wound down, don’t leave your dog in the car. If you are ever in any doubt of how to care for your dog in the warm or hot weather, speak your local vet practice. Better to speak to them now than your vet speaking to you to request consent for euthanasia.

OP posts:
Shednik · 29/06/2018 14:17

My dog won't pee or poo in the garden. I'be been taking her for a walk early morning and late evening. She's on a long lead in the shade with water sometimes too

Chanelprincess · 29/06/2018 14:19

my vet also put on Facebook yesterday that a dog will not die without a walk

I'm stunned at any vet saying this. My vet would absolutely not recommend missing vital daily exercise for a dog. It's the owners duty of care to exercise their dog when it's cool enough to do so. I have an extremely active and intelligent working breed who would not tolerate laziness under any circumstances.

SK166 · 29/06/2018 14:22

I’m 9 months pregnant so mine and SKPup’s heat tolerance is roughly equivalent at the moment!

We’re generally going out mid-morning (10am-11am) having checked the temps but it’s a 10min shady waddle to the dog park, which is almost entirely shaded, and he then trots about with his pack there for a while. They seem to self-regulate, alternating between short games of chase and then lying around in the shade. All of us owners just put our bowls of water down around us and they all pop back and forth for hydration. Pup has some ice cubes in his water when we get home, a frozen carrot, then snoozes on a wet towel for most of the day.

Once the sun goes off the garden in the afternoon we usually go out for some games with the hose to burn off some energy (he’s full of it) and stay cool, then he’s back to sleeping.

Seems to just be common sense that’s required. I massively empathise with those who, like me, have dogs that are unbearable and nutty without a decent walk every day, but it’s entirely possible to do.

aaarrrggghhhh · 29/06/2018 14:22

I think a lot of it is ignorance. I almost melted my dog a few weeks ago and I still feel horrifically guilty. We went for a walk in the forest which was totally fine temperature wise (although probably a bit longer than we should have walked for in retrospect). We had a rest inside a nice cool cafe but then we got the bus home and he was panting the whole way and I felt just awful. (I checked all the signs though and frantically googled and he didn't have heatstroke)

And I am a normally totally neurotic dog mum (e.g. I get down on my knees when we get on the bus to make sure there is no chewing gum he could swallow). I just really didn't realise it was so hot and really didn't think it through.

I don't have a car so we get taxis when we walk in the forest when its hot now. And we're doing late night walks. He's still going out with his walker during the day but she takes them to the forest and makes sure they drink lots of water, go to the pond etc and he's fine when he gets back.

I always do the foot on pavement test now too.

This is why I think there should be a licensing scheme for dogs - which would fund new dog owner education. I have read millions of books on training, of course know not to leave a dog in the car - but just hadn't to happen on anything about the impact of the heat. Yes I'm an IDIOT for not thinking it through. But people are idiots.

So thats the answer to your wondering about why people do it - a lot of the time just because they're stupid like I was.

ProfessorMoody · 29/06/2018 14:24

It's not "vital" though, it's preferable. A dog won't die because they miss a few walks. They might have boredom issues, but they won't die.

OP posts:
Soubriquet · 29/06/2018 14:25

Thank you Wicked

I've shared

Tringley · 29/06/2018 14:25

I get my dogs' coats shorn in the summer months and take them swimming in the nearby river every day for exercise. They'd go absolutely stir crazy without an intensive workout every day. As a result I've always restricted every house move to a house with a clean, accessible river no more than 5 minutes walk away. Dogs might not be able to cope well with a walk in the heat but many breeds will also not cope without meaningful exercise everyday.

Tbh, my 5 year old is the exact same. After a couple of days of moany listlessness on a never before seen scale and I've had to set him up with indoor exercise equipment and an electric fan. Now he does about 10k on and off on my exercise bike and he's back to his usual happy self. He couldn't cope with having energy he couldn't burn off.

Sophisticatedsarcasm · 29/06/2018 14:25

I honestly think that those who leave dogs in the car in this heat should be banned from having pets in the future, it’s ludacris. Everyday this week Ive seen dogs being taken for walks across fields, why? Taking your dog for a walk isn’t as important as keeping them cool. You can take the, out in the morning or in the evening. Why people feel the need to take them out at 13.00 for a 2 hour walk is beyond me. We only ever take our dog on the grass right outside our house, let her wee and literally bring her straight back inside. 2 mins max! We should lock people in thier cars and see how they feel. So no OP YANBU 😊

Soubriquet · 29/06/2018 14:28

Yes. Some dogs might go a bit loony not being walked but it's better they are bouncing off the walls, than being walked in this heat.

Missing a walk really won't kill them. They can be bored and annoyed at not being walked but they will live.

My dog may only be a chihuahua but she is still impatient at being walked. I got headbutted by her yesterday whilst she was trying to get me to take her.

I stood my ground though and made her wait until it was cool enough

Tringley · 29/06/2018 14:36

Missing a walk really won't kill them.

That's not true. One of mine has severe mobility issues and missing out on daily exercise will compound them to the point that in a very short period of time, he will not being able to recover and both his lifespan and quality of life will be drastically reduced. If he had to miss out on exercise due to this heatwave he probably wouldn't make it to Christmas. With regular exercise he has a normal lifespan and quality of life.

Dahlietta · 29/06/2018 14:39

I absolutely agree with the principle, but I do feel a bit sorry for the people mentioned in the vet's post from the OP. They probably were trying to avoid the hottest part of the day by exercising their dog at 9am. They're almost certainly devastated by what happened. The comment about being convicted of manslaughter is horribly unkind and unprofessional.

AdoraBell · 29/06/2018 14:40

Mine are good at finding the coolest spot. And if they think they getting walked when it’s hot they give a Hmm look and wander off.

I’ve never walked them in hot weather, apart from winter. We moved to the UK from Chile 3 years ago and it was almost always to hot during daylight hours for walking. Winter afternoons would be 21/22 instead 37/39.

NotARegularPenguin · 29/06/2018 14:45

I’m going hiking in the Lakes the week after next. Normally the dog comes too but I’m going to have to leave her with friends as it’s forecast to be 21 c all week and too hot for her to be going up mountains.

We were there last month when it was quite hot one week and one day it was hotter than forecast, maybe 21 degrees by midday. We’d set off walking early morning when it was cooler. By the time it got really hot we were high up and I was worried about ddog so carried all 12kg of her 3miles back down a very steep mountain. She loved being carried and it nearly finished me off!

lifechangesforever · 29/06/2018 14:46

YANBU.

I've actually not left the house this week because I can't bare the thought of seeing people walking their dogs!! I've shared and shared on social media in the vain hope that people take notice and pass on.

My two have been walked first thing in a morning, either by us or the dog walker has been coming early (she usually comes midday but obviously not an issue). Other than that, we've all been at home - I'm on maternity leave and 37 weeks pregnant so I'm suffering too.

I do have a white dog though who would sun herself all day, however, even she has known her limits this week and has taken herself inside (we have a lovely, cold and old house - perfect for summer) but I'd be shooing her inside too if I felt it necessary. That being said, I've also caught her in my bed under the quilt a few times too - she does like to be warm 🙈

mydogisthebest · 29/06/2018 14:51

I have two long haired dogs with very thick coats and one is black so they both really feel, and hate, the heat.

As soon as the weather starts to be the slightest bit warm they are walked at 6am and 10 or 11pm. A couple of weeks ago after the morning walk (1 hour) one of them was panting like crazy. We took water with us so he had been drinking. We got home and he continued to pant for about 25 minutes - really deep panting. I was so worried about him. Luckily he was fine but it has made me even more paranoid about them (if that's possible).

So this week they have not been walked at all. To be honest I doubt they would walk if we tried to take them out. All they want to do is lay in the house - I have every window open and the back door so there is a good breeze through. They go outside to toilet then come straight back in.

They won't even go in the garden if I am out there whereas normally as soon as I step out they are with me. They hate the heat that much.

Luckily we have a good size garden so late evening they have a bit of run round. I would rather they miss a few walks than lose their life.

Reading all the stories of dogs left in cars makes me so angry. Also seeing thick idiots walking their dog in full heat (not even bothering to walk on the shady side of the street). Some of the dogs have looked quite distressed and panting like mad. Just yesterday I saw an obviously elderly black Labrador being literally dragged along and an overweight King Charles Spaniel who was panting like crazy and also being dragged along.

I have had a go at people before but they either look at me like I am mad or give abuse. Some people really should not have dogs.

I totally agree with the comment that if it were a child they would be done for manslaughter. What punishment are dog owners getting for making their dogs suffer? Oh yes that's right NONE

mydogisthebest · 29/06/2018 14:53

I meant to say too that me and DH were meant to be going out tomorrow between 12 and 3 but if it is still as hot we won't be going. No way are we going to leave the dogs alone as without all the windows and back door open the house gets too warm

AlpacaLypse · 29/06/2018 14:55

Pro dog walker. Thankfully we have easy access to 5000 acres of woodland with lots of ponds. Since the beginning of the week instead of starting the round at 9 am and finishing at 3 we've been starting at 7 am, shortening all the walks, finished by 11, and very shortly I'll be off out to visit everyone who doesn't have outside access and check they don't want a wee. On past experience they probably won't even get out of bed when I arrive but we don't like to leave any dog for more than about 4 hours unattended.

Banana8080 · 29/06/2018 14:56

No way I’d walk my dog in this heat - pavements too hot and she’d just generally over heat.

I bought her a small paddling pool instead and she’s happily lounging in garden under a tree/in the dark shade of the sitting room.

Dogs are part of the family.

dadshere · 29/06/2018 15:00

21 is NOT too hot to walk a dog. The weather is not too hot to walk the vast majority of dog breeds.

I don't believe a word of the OP's facebook 'vet'. Dogs will die in a car or similar glasshouse construction. Dogs are just fine to walk in this weather, with the exception of a few rare breeds.

Chanelprincess · 29/06/2018 15:01

It's not "vital" though, it's preferable

I disagree. Daily exercise of some kind is vital for every dog. I'm not saying it needs to be a walk, but it does need to be some kind of physical activity combined with mental stimulation.

Charolais · 29/06/2018 15:02

I am also alarmed to hear of a dog over heating in 21C which is under 70F. Here where I live (US) if it under 70F during the day in the summer it is considered cool. Our temps get up to 100F+ (40-45C) in the summer and nobody is thinking about going for a walk anyway. My dogs, Australian Shepherds, love the air conditioned house and kip on top of the air vents. I must add if they see deer eating the shrubbery they are on it and chase him off, no matter the temp.

Spudlet · 29/06/2018 15:04

Dog was outraged to be left at home yesterday when DH went for his lunchtime walk. It's too hot though - it's a lot more than 21 degrees here and there is neither shade nor water on our walks that can be done from direct home. The poor old dog would be frazzled to a crisp.

He has been being taken out first thing or last thing, and just pottering about the rest of the time. He spends a fair bit of time under the kitchen table at the moment.

QueenPeeBeePee · 29/06/2018 15:05

I know my dog, I know my area.

Short walk in the morning, main 1 hour walk at lunchtime, never more than 5 minutes without a dip in the pond or river.

Back home, he'll spend the afternoon lying in the garden alternating between sun & shade.

It's worked for us for over a decade....

pallisers · 29/06/2018 15:06

I honestly think that those who leave dogs in the car in this heat should be banned from having pets in the future, it’s ludacris

I think they should have their driving licences suspended. Far more effective

QueenPeeBeePee · 29/06/2018 15:07

Dogs are just fine to walk in this weather, with the exception of a few rare breeds.

Exactly. Know your animal.

Facebook is full of these simplistic, generic "don't do xxx with your dog posts" - it makes me wonder if people even know their pets nowadays....