AIBU to say that I am a woman, not a 'non-man' 'non-trans woman' or 'cis women'

[R0wantrees]

I was born female.

I started having periods aged 11.

I started IVF in my late 30s and was diagnosed with gyny cancer.

As a result of the surgery (total hysterectomy) which no doubt saved my life, I have no uterus, cervix or ovaries and am childless but am fortunate to be well. My Gyny cancer was unusually caught at an early stage.

I know these to be uniquely female experiences and as an adult human female, I am a woman.

However, some activists with the Green Party have sought to use 'non-men' as a descriptor.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/feminists-mock-green-party-young-womens-invite-to-non-men-a6987061.html

There has been assertions on Mumsnet and elsewhere to use the descriptor 'non-trans woman'
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3289890-great-piece-by-academic-kathleen-stock-mentions-mn

and not using the descriptor 'cis woman' is deemed by some to be transphobic.

Sometimes women have to say 'No!'
I think words matter
I think sex matters

Is it OK if I yell at page 3 and look at the football, Ayn?

Dunno. Will you also scratch your crotch and (snap and) fart?

YANBU. I'm a woman, and transwomen are transwomen.

Trans women are not lesser, in my view, in any way. But they are not women.

Sadly I'm crap at farting, Ayn. Hardly ever fart. Did you know that women fart less than men? But I don't object to a spot of crotch scratching... Though perhaps best not watch the football down the pub while so engaged.

YANBU

Christ....

I am a woman. A fully grown female human being. This is the pure and simple truth. I neither want nor need the term "cis" to define or describe me further. I refuse to stand by and let anyone take this from me.

R0wantrees YADNBU.

Making women use a label that most of them reject is a power trip. We are not defined as an absence of cancer or schizophrenia or anorexia. I do not define myself in relation to this group of male people. They need "cis woman" so they can position themselves as a different type of woman. They are not.

And as for non men, if I said what I feel about that, with them not even grasping that they have defined men as the default, I would be deleted. Way to put women back a few hundred years. But oh so woke.

Non-men is just crazy. My sideboard is a non man as is my guinea pig. I don't need to be lumped in with anyone and everything that is not an adult human male.

YADNBU I am a woman. I neither recognise nor accept the term Cis to define me. I wear trousers, rarely make-up or heels. I do not believe that I have a gender identity nor a soul. I have a personality and I am RogerAllensFangirl.

Allams FFS

Whenever I read something like this I am immediately reminded of the Handmaid's Tale. In the flashbacks, where you see how Gilead started, the rights of women slowly removed, the deibit card rejected in the cafe in an otherwise usual scene.

Non-men is disgraceful. It makes it sound as though the default is men/male. We're going backwards. I don’t know anyone irl who sees trans women as a subset of women. Of men, yes. There we go, going back to the Handmaid's Tale, Ofmen.

I keep hoping that someone of import who can brave the slings and arrows will put their head above the parapet and stop this erasure. It actually scares me, this slow chipping away.

You are definitely a woman.
Non-man sounds like something from the Handmaid’s Tale. Horrendous term.

I refuse to be referred to as 'cis', but in all honesty I didn't understand 'non-men' to mean 'women'. I read it as meaning 'men who don't want to be men'.

Time for the trans lobby to stop taking over female terminology and use more accurate descriptors, perhaps?

A 'neo-vagina' is an inverted penis
A 'transwoman' is a feminine-presenting trans person
A 'male lesbian' is....well, I'm still trying to get my head round that one; a feminine-presenting trans person (who may or may not still have their male genitals) who is attracted to females? Ie. not same-sex attracted therefore not gay. Is that right?

"I’m a woman whose gender matches the one she was assigned at birth. I’m a cis woman. No more or less a woman than trans women."

@dinosaursandtea I don't have a gender at all. I have tried very hard to reject the gender crap which society has tried to foist on me. Does that mean I don't exist? I'm finding this all very confusing. Please help me understanding and know my place.

I have a sex - it's female - the midwife noticed this when I was born and I also know this because I have periods, gave birth to a child, have breasts and my skeleton is different from a male humans skeleton. But I work in IT, wear jeans and t-shirts, used to play rugby, I'm 5'10" tall and have short hair. I have a season ticket to a premiership club. I have never watched a soap opera, owned a lipstick or watched Strictly Come Dancing. I wouldn't be seen dead in anything pink or frilly (just ask my mum about the time she tried to get me to wear a pink frilly bridemaid dress aged 4 - apparently my tantrum was the stuff of family legend).

For the past 40 years I've naively assumed myself to be a woman without any need for further classification but you seem to be implying that this is incorrect. Please tell me what I am? Am I a non-man; a non-cis-non-man, a non-trans-non-cis-woman, a non-trans-non-cis-non-man....? Arghhhh

It actually scares me, this slow chipping away.

You should be scared. It's very, very troubling.

I refuse to be referred to as 'cis', but in all honesty I didn't understand 'non-men' to mean 'women'. I read it as meaning 'men who don't want to be men'.

I read it as asserting men as the defining characteristic, whereby everything is identified by its relation to men....and also as being able to incorporate anything that is not an adult human male. Meaning women, cats, dogs, baboons, tea kettles, golfing umbrellas and Windsor Castle.

i am a woman, have been for 57 years. I am not CIS or any over thing I am a WOMAN.
people can call themselves what they like, as long as they call women women. (I wish CIS Could be banned)

women, cats, dogs, baboons, tea kettles, golfing umbrellas and Windsor Castle.

😂

We'll agree to disagree.

people can call themselves what they like, as long as they call women women. (I wish CIS Could be banned)

But if you ban it you wouldn't be allowing people to call themselves what they like...
Having found that there are people who find the term cis offensive, I don't use it to describe other people unless they themselves have first done so, but I still use it to describe myself.

mostdays true.. can i go with wishing using it to describe someone who finds it offensive .....could be banned.

If it was up to me I'd say yes! Disagreement is one thing, but using a term to describe someone when you know damn well they find it offensive is quite another.

Jesus h Christ, literally all that Cis means is that you identify in the skin you were born in. It’s not a slur, it just means you are ok with the body you got at birth and don’t feel it’s the wrong one.

‘Non men’ is absolutely fucking ridiculous but here’s nothing weird about Cis, it literally just means ‘not trans’. People are so ignorant.