To ask what social class you would say I am?

[flowersandcake]

Hello!

So my friends and I were discussing class issues and one friend told me that I would have 'no idea about anything as I'm upper class' and another strangly interupted and mentioned that I'm working not upper class? I personally thought I was middle?

My situation is:
5 bed house worth 900K, no mortgage
2 Teenagers
Lucky enough to pay for their uni fees and sixth form fees, both at private sixth form, one went to a grammar and the other a state secondary school
DD owns a pony and DS used to
DD plays the violin and DS the drums
2 holidays a year (one longer one and either a week in cornwall/scotland or a couple of weekend city breaks)
Household income of 110-140K depending on the year as DH is self employed and can earn up to 90K.

I promise I'm not boasting or anything, we give 10K a year to charity and DS is in the process of persuading his dad to give his uni fees to a charity.

So what class would I be in your opinion?

I couldn't answer your question without knowing more about your background and upbringing.

I don't hold with the class system, but it is basically more about 'breeding' than anything else.

You can not - I don't believe - be 'Upper class' unless you are actual aristocracy, which you can not attain. You are born into the aristocracy whether you live in a mansion or a studio flat.

Middle class, in my understanding, is to do with the professions. So if your parents were doctors or university lecturers or solicitors, you will probably be middle class.

It is very possible to be working class and very wealthy, or upper class and very poor.

I am middle class because my parents are both professionals and I grew up around the trappings of middle class life. In my case, because my parents were the kind of middle class liberals who don't believe in private healthcare or private schooling, I didn't have those things, but I had privilege and opportunity.

I am now a professional too - as are my siblings.

Only my brother is wealthy.

Our 'class' system is weird.

Educated but not wealthy.

Indeed! I'm clearly not. One of the main differences between DH and I! He uses the same swear words regulary that my grandfather would have used haha!

@flowersandcake Agree with a few other posters. The fact you are banging on about your '£900K house' (with no mortgage) and how much your family earns, and feeling the need to tell us your kids play violin and piano etc, and the fact that you 'own a pony' just smacks of an ordinary working class person who is DESPERATE to be middle class.

You're not. You are working class, and desperate for attention and praise.

Why is that?

And you were 'bullied for how you speak'? Why? Coz you kept bragging about your 'wealth' and the fact you're 'posh?'

LOL what a cringeworthy thread!

No class. People with class do not talk about, far less boast about money

That’s to you Verbena.

brainache I agree 100%. It's really odd but yes, I beleive you can only be born into aristocracy.

You have said nothing about your own background, which in the UK is the biggest indicator of class, I think.

Your children are middle class. But you and your DH could be anything, from what you’ve said - none of which is indicative of anything other than your current financial position.

If she is ‘working class ’ then I’m a class below that! They should invent a new class!
Working classes ( to me any way) do not own ponies.

I don’t think any of those things define class. We have a comfortable lifestyle where I don’t need to work, but I consider myself working class due to my background. I consider DH to be middle to upper from his background, and we live a nice life thanks to it, but I’m still working class.

What's wrong with radio4? And you should definitely start swearing op, it's good for your soul. Although my husband disagrees and tuts at me when I swear

I have never ever met anyone in real life who discusses class. Its ridiculous. Who cares.

Working class.

Class has nothing to do with money or material possessions.

Those who think it does are usually working class imo.

I would say you are middle OP, but the only things you mention are earnings, house price and holidays etc which are meaningless.

For instance, if you said, "My parents were Lord and Lady soandso and I boarded from 7 before moving on to finishing school and a lovely job at Tatler", I would say you were upper.

If you said you grew up in a council house and still do, work in a factory or similar, I would say working.

Anything in the middle, is middle class, I would say.

Most people who live in houses of £5 million upwards think they are middle class - unless the house was given to them in inheritance. They know how they were brought up and most of the time the wealth has come in later life - e.g. city bonuses or sale of a company.

In Scotland, £900k could probably get you a mansion, so you could well be under the illusion that you're minor royalty. Where I live in Kensington, £900 k means a reasonably sized 2 bed flat over a dry-cleaners or something, maybe a balcony, so not so much.

I am working class that married into established MC and now as a professional my children are MC.

I love talking about class and it’s something I love to read about, what the markers are. How you can spot a pretender a mile off.

I hate snobs though. That’s decidedly low class.

You're very rich. I have no idea what class you are. Depends what definition is being used.

Oh dear! Actually, my entire family have been your typical upper middle class family since the day I was born and before. I genuinely mentioned those things as a close friend of mine asked a similar question on netmums I believe and they all asked her how much she earned etc. Of course those aren't proper factors but I didn't want to be asked those and accused of dripfeeding.

OP How educated are you & your DH? what sort of jobs to you do?

You've spelled across wrong and it's 'between ....and me' not 'between ....and I' as between is a preposition so needs the direct or indirect object pronoun not the subject pronoun after it. So I'd hazard a guess you're not privately educated - as this type of stuff is drilled into kids at school.

Working class with delusions of grandeur would be my guess. Have a pretentious macaron

"Upper middle Class. I always thought of upper class as aristocracy."

No, Aristocracy is above Upper Class.

"If you think class is based on possessions/lifestyle then you aren't high enough to understand how the class system works."

Absolutely. When the shit hit the fan, when Austerity Measures came in, did it, or could it, effect your life, in any real sense? If it's a No, then you definitely aren't Working Class or lower Middle Class.

If Shops and Businesses etc announce that they are struggling and it doesn't start to really worry you. Then you are either Upper middle or Upper Class.

If you have enough to lift yourself out of the mess of Brexit, Cuts, destruction of our Education system/NHS etc, then you are Upper Class.

To suggest that Class doesn't Count, or we are all WC because you work, is as insulting as the top Tory's saying that "we are all in this together".

It also has it's complexities because of Contacts and the willingness to bail each other out. So "people like us" don't suffer.

Can’t tell what class you are from your information, as class doesn’t have anything to do with money.

I classes are a thing of the 19th century.We don't have that so much anymore.

You are talking about income. Does anyone really care if your daughter plays the violin and owns a pony? Why would they?

I went to private day school as I refused the opputunity of boarding, had a similar lifestyle that my children have with professional parents. DH grew up very upper class, learnt to fence etc. We both read the guardian, listen to radio 4 and have hobbies which we enjoy. If that answers any of the questions furthur back in the thread.

Also, will do! To the person who told me I should swear haha.

Who gives a fuck frankly..? Just a way to categorize yourself for what reason?